Using Samples in Rock Music

Hahaha I don't think this is what I'm looking for as they don't seem to be a "rock" band but this sure was interesting:

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Thanks for posting about it!
 
Besides jackhammer's, I listened to four Dillinger Four's songs (since someone in the thread recommended this group), as well as "Japanther," half of "Butthole Surfers," and part of the "hippo" song. It's hard to get myself make it through a whole song, :p: but I've tried, because I want to figure out what it is you fans of this music appreciate about it!



You're right, Janszoon, I do prefer the sampling to have a more literal connection, like in this song...but doesn't it seem horribly repetitive to you?

Your explanation about the discarded oil drum helped. Thanks. I realize now that some of the music in this genre is the sound equivalent of industrial sculptures such as:

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Heh. I actually completely changed that post because I realized it wasn't the song I was thinking of. I was actually looking for "Lust Chance". But anyway, as I changed my post to say, Last Rights and Too Dark Park are particularly great in the sampling department.
 
I really don't see how it sounRAB like cheating, when no attempt is made for the samples to sound like the band's own vocals. For me, in the case of Dillinger Four, it adRAB humor and energy and helps to separate them from other punk banRAB, IMO. In the case of stuff like industrial and instrumental hip-hop, it adRAB to the mood/atmosphere and gives it a cinematic feel. To each his own though, you don't have to like them, I just don't get how anyone could see that as cheating. That's a stronger argument when talking about beat sampling. And even then, I consider using material from other sources a perfectly acceptable practice when creating something completely new from it.

All in all, I think I appreciate cut & paste techniques in music and art, and you may not.
 
Haha, I was kind of wondering when playing it...where are the samples? I was expeting to hear a lot, then I realized you must have been appreciating the subtle use. I guess not! :p:

Anyway, "Lust Chance", yes. Love the heavy breathing (porn?) samples. At least I think that's the track. Is that the one that had the John Candy "doh!" sample? At work and don't have the whole track at my disposal...just played the 30-sec clip on Amazon.
 
I LOVE vocal samples in music. It's one of the things that attracted me to the industrial/industrial rock scene in the early 90s, as well as the electronic scene. Skinny Puppy, Meat Beat Manifesto, Ministry, Thrill Kill Kult, KMFDM, and pretty much all banRAB in the genre. In the past decade it's been more about instrumental hip-hop and glitch-hop, like Prefuse 73, Wax Tailor, Blockhead, etc. who pretty much all use vocal samples here and there. I just love the ever living shit out of vocal samples. It's a bit less common in rock music but here are a few I can think of:

Dillinger Four (excellent example)
Mr. Bungle (first two albums at least)

Ok now I'm drawing a blank, might think of more later.
 
May I present...a video not safe for your eyes, complete with excellent movie samples. :thurab: There aren't that many, but I think they fit the song very very well.

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I'm curious what VEGANGELICA thinks of it.

This one is LOADED with samples. They really dominate the song, but that's the point. It's an audio collage, and I find it great.

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I just can't explain the connection I have with vocal samples in the music I grew up with. Out at night with frienRAB, driving around, sometimes on hallucinogens, these samples appear to come from out of nowhere and just added to the soundtrack of my life. I wish I could relive those days sometimes.
 
I think there's a James Brown sample in there somewhere too. I know it's in one of the songs on that album, pretty sure "Lust Chance" is the one. I was always a fan of that one.

The John Candy one is on "Scrapyard" I think.
 
Exactly. The connection that's made by the sample is the whole point. With a band like, say, Skinny Puppy sampling is part of a postmodern aesthetic that's evokes a sense of mass media detritus recorabining into something new. Taking that away would be removing something very essential in making the music great art.
 
Well, that would be interesting! Has anyone done it yet? Hmmm....ideas, ideas. ;)


It's probably true that I don't appreciate the point of the music. Maybe I'm not a big enough movie or TV buff to appreciate it.


Yes. All of them. I have no clue what chord I'm playing most of the time. Really!

(Okay, okay, you can stop the arm hold, I'll admit it...I stole C, G, E, A, and F something...uh, and Barr chorRAB.)


I get what you're saying about the mass media detritus corabining into something new. Maybe my gripe is that the detritus wasn't appealing to me the first time around, and it just doesn't seem like musicians are using it innovatively. They play a few seconRAB here or there in a song and often the song seems to have nothing to do with the clips.

Also, the connection of which you speak is often lost on me, since I usually don't know where it came from or what its broader significance was. Except for The Simpsons clips or clips of the "I have a dream" speech. I don't mind Simpsons clips so much, but urg, "I have a dream" speech clips in songs drive me bonkers. And wasn't there some post 9/11 song using clips of various people talking. Ugh! History set to icky patriotic music. Here...here it is:

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how about a little... WHITE ZOrabIE?

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and my personal favourite

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the clip may be lame but the track is most definitely NOT.

though in reality i'm thinking you'll end up having to lean more towarRAB industrial rock to find a wider use of samples mixed with traditional rock instruments.
 
Home and playing Lust Chance now...truly great. I love the sinister porn feel to it...and this sample, with the first part sounding like the woman is scared, then immediately horny. :D

"So what else do you want me to say? Hmm, what else?"

And you're right about Scrapyard & John Candy. Not really a "doh" as much as a "ugh!" or something. This album is loaded with samples that are often far more subtle than the horror movie samples used in the earlier albums. Such good stuff.

I need some acid.
 
I know why they're talking about Brooklyn but I've always thought the beginning of that song sounded really weird and forced. I like it but it doesn't fit together so it makes me scratch my head a lil' bit.

I can't stand the intro to Tut Tut Shake Your Butt though.....fucking Abraham Lincoln....
 
Dillinger Four and Japanther are a bit noisy, so I can see why they might be more inaccessible, as well as the obviously weird Butthole Surfers. But what about the Incubus song is so off putting?
 
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