Usenet vs. Torrents ( security)

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Hey guys!

Ive a question about how safe usenet is. Im new to this world :P

lately in some nordic countries they have now the law called ipred, that means the goverment have the rights to see what you are doing and downloading etc. ive been torrent user for many years, but thinking of going to usenet instead.

my question is, how safe is it (in percent) to connect to an usenet server with SSL protection compared to downloading torrents with a vpn connection?
 
masscrazy said:
Nope, i have a 12-13Mb connection i get 1.6MB/1.7MB/s. Torrents the speed (with good seeds ofcourse) stays at a CONSTANT 1.66-1.7MB. Usenet it fluctuates. Sometimes i get the full 1.6MB/s, usually around 1.4MB. Also i get different speeds on different clients, which is odd.

technodrome said:
but many of good trackers are much safer than anything.. U only have to get in a high level tracker..
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Im lucky i got the level 10 tracker, and last 5-6months of freeleech has been delightful, got 150gb buffer with my crappy upload. Ha, and i just noticed it has SSL and im already using it access the site.

cinephilia said:
many private trackers support SSL..
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Hahaha, I find it funny that you think accessing a torrent tracker using SSL protects you. It does nothing. The reason the speed from usenet wasn't as good or fluctuated for you was probably the route from the server to you, you're only downloading from one source... on torrents you download from several. There are many servers, if you tried another one you could get better speeds, you never know.

Also, it's a level 10 tracker.. wow, you must feel so secure. The fact is that if you can get into it then no doubt a trained federal agent can do it too. And free leech is good but the content on private trackers is often very limited, mostly just scene releases. There is a much wider range of stuff on usenet.

Usenet = More Secure. No matter what you say, it simply is. The way torrents work is just not secure at all.
 
cinephilia said:
many private trackers support SSL...
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But you're still connecting to other peers even if you announce on an SSL conneciton. Unless you use a proxy service, your IP is publicly available to any member of that private tracker. The more secure you believe that site is, the better, but with usenet, your IP is never exposed to any third party.
 
Yea, we were having this discussion at work today. Hands down usenet is safer. The only downside is that you have to pay for it.
 
UsenetGuy said:
Hahaha, I find it funny that you think accessing a torrent tracker using SSL protects you. It does nothing. The reason the speed from usenet wasn't as good or fluctuated for you was probably the route from the server to you, you're only downloading from one source... on torrents you download from several. There are many servers, if you tried another one you could get better speeds, you never know.

Also, it's a level 10 tracker.. wow, you must feel so secure. The fact is that if you can get into it then no doubt a trained federal agent can do it too. And free leech is good but the content on private trackers is often very limited, mostly just scene releases. There is a much wider range of stuff on usenet.

Usenet = More Secure. No matter what you say, it simply is. The way torrents work is just not secure at all.
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I didnt say usenet was not more secure. And i didnt say the level 10 tracker makes using torrents any more secure. And i didnt say accessing torrent tracker using SSL protects me, i just stated i did.

Its probably something like 1% of people using torrents actually get 'caught' so the way i see it is, for now torrents are alot better than usenet. There may be a wider range of stuff to download from usenet but its so unorganised and annoying to get stuff from there.
 
cinephilia said:
many private trackers support SSL...
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Possible but your IP is still public.

I was on ScL and I was leeching and I could see many IP's I used IPAF and managed to find their:

IP Address Hostname, IP Country, IP Country Code, IP Continent, IP Region, Guessed City, IP Latitude, IP Longitude, ISP.

Not safe at all :01:.
 
In order to obtain your identity, the copyright holder must discover identifying information, such as your IP address or maybe your username, which links you to an infringing file. Then they have to request your identity from the service provider, whether it is your ISP, the VPN or newsgroup provider. The security in newsgroups comes mainly from the fact that they have no way of finding your IP if you're just downloading. They may be able to track your uploads with your username (why most posters switch it up or use generic names) and that alone probably wouldn't be enough to identify who your newsgroup provider is or your IP, which could identify you.

Torrenting from home or seedbox obviously allows your IP address to be shown to every other peer, which means it is unsafe on public trackers and more secure in private trackers, but that's all relative. With the VPN service, they could find the IP and then request your info from the VPN provider, which may or may not give you up, I'm not sure.

I don't think one can estimate or quantify the relative security of these filesharing methods, but just consider how it is possible to prevent the antipiracy folks from getting any information connecting you to filesharing in the first place. Just leeching off usenet is probably the best way to do that.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong.. but SSL doesn't matter when you're on trackersites, downloading .torrents is not even illegal. And once you're in utorrent or whatever you use, your ip is still visible.

It's too bad that usenet doesn't have much asian movies/dramas/music from what I've seen, anybody know anything about this?
 
jaqques said:
Hey guys!

Ive a question about how safe usenet is. Im new to this world :P

lately in some nordic countries they have now the law called ipred, that means the goverment have the rights to see what you are doing and downloading etc. ive been torrent user for many years, but thinking of going to usenet instead.

my question is, how safe is it (in percent) to connect to an usenet server with SSL protection compared to downloading torrents with a vpn connection?
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Also new, also wondering the same thing.

But i have found torrents to be so much better. Organised, easy to use, exact same speeds, just not as safe but thats the only downside oh and the little thing known as uploading/seeding back. But its worth it.
 
For Usenet, you have to pay. Any way you look at it this just isn't good.
Where's the feeling of sharing? Just one cold server run by some people that make business by selling piracy.

And you, spending money on downloading copyrighted stuff just for you and yourself.
 
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