United States of arrogance and anti-British Hollywood
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Lance Peeplamstrong
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As 'fair trade' is just another bit of marketing spin perhaps it's refreshing that Hollywood (largely owned by Japanese corporations, incidentally) is more straight forward in its honest avarice?
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Bunniculette
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To my mind, the second one was a better movie in many respects. I don't think you have to dip into jingoism to appreciate that. The metaphor of the screenplay was more relevant, and extended beyond the "road to hell paved with good intentions" message of the first (also very good) film into a wider critique of current world politics. Whilst these things are thoroughly objective, I'm not alone in thinking that - many British critics did. Mark Kermode and The Guardian spring to mind.
You've lost me, here. Can you explain what you meant more clearly?
You've lost me, here. Can you explain what you meant more clearly?
bloodsucker_023
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Ummmm, no actually he is not. Mel Gibson is American. He was born in New York and moved with his family to Australia when he was a little boy.
Err... off the top of my head: Run Fatboy Run, Love Actually, Reign of Fire, A Fish Called Wanda. Not all UK productions (financially), but screenplays and settings are UK.
I'm sure there's many more.
I don't think there's any real antipathy between the countries, but it's easy to play off stereotypes from either side of the Atlantic. It's just that the US makes most films - and skews it's characters and history in favour of itself (as do Russian, UK and many other film industries).
I'm sure there's many more.
I don't think there's any real antipathy between the countries, but it's easy to play off stereotypes from either side of the Atlantic. It's just that the US makes most films - and skews it's characters and history in favour of itself (as do Russian, UK and many other film industries).
uncle steve
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Out of interest, where did these statistics come from? I'm not trying to be pedantic, but do you have a source? I'd be interested to read it.
I haven't seen Run Fatboy Run or Reign of Fire so can't comment on those. But I disagree with the other two.
Love Actually. Are you referring to the portrayal of the US President? If so, isn't it obvious that he's meant to be a parody of George Bush and the storyline is reflective of the relationship between Bush and Blair? George Bush doesn't need anyone else's help when it comes to portraying himself in a negative light. And IMO this satirical portrayal of the American president hardly ranks up there with deliberate historical inaccuracy.
A Fish Called Wanda. Isn't everyone in that movie portrayed as a dumb criminal, not just the American characters? Sure Kevin Kline's character was made to look a bit dumb - but no more so than John Cleese and Michael Palin's. And the cleverest of all of them? Jamie Lee Curtis - an American.
Love Actually. Are you referring to the portrayal of the US President? If so, isn't it obvious that he's meant to be a parody of George Bush and the storyline is reflective of the relationship between Bush and Blair? George Bush doesn't need anyone else's help when it comes to portraying himself in a negative light. And IMO this satirical portrayal of the American president hardly ranks up there with deliberate historical inaccuracy.
A Fish Called Wanda. Isn't everyone in that movie portrayed as a dumb criminal, not just the American characters? Sure Kevin Kline's character was made to look a bit dumb - but no more so than John Cleese and Michael Palin's. And the cleverest of all of them? Jamie Lee Curtis - an American.
dangerousjavi
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Considering the questionable embrace of so many British actors in American movies and TV I don't think you have a basis to say that Hollywood is anti-British.
It is quite the other way around as you will find far, far more anti-Americanism in Britain than you will find anti-Britainism in America.
Most Americans are also clueless to what it is really like in the UK. If they knew then Britons probably wouldn't get such a warm response from Americans, as they usually do.
It is quite the other way around as you will find far, far more anti-Americanism in Britain than you will find anti-Britainism in America.
Most Americans are also clueless to what it is really like in the UK. If they knew then Britons probably wouldn't get such a warm response from Americans, as they usually do.
myspiderungoliant
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and more importantly the Enigma machien was captured in May 1941 a full 7 months before the USA enterd the war this is why I will never watch this film on principle.
The Americans also recovered an Enigma machine from a German sub.
At the end of the movie it goes on to explain the actual history of Enigma captures. The movie was not an attempt to take anything away from anyone, nor was the story meant to be based on one particular true and actual event.
At the end of the movie it goes on to explain the actual history of Enigma captures. The movie was not an attempt to take anything away from anyone, nor was the story meant to be based on one particular true and actual event.
dyehardxen
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Interesting reading, but I don't think you can take 3000 UKTV Gold viewers to be truly representative of the British public. It doesn't say who these people are, what their backgrounRAB/education are and how this data was collected.
Sorry!
Sorry!
sugaplumb =)
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at least unlike the USA and Germany we are not guilty of attempted genocide. and we have not had a shameful history.
A New Leaf
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The whole "based" on a true story thing is nearly always misleading as we all know that embellishing is what Hollywood does best.
Perhaps what we're all really annoyed at here is not that Hollywood is a US propoganda machine constantly churning out pro-US nonsense and re-writting history in thier favour, but that here in the UK the state of our film industry is in such a sorry state that we can't produce anything to redress the balance except for the odd Richard Curtis Rom-Com where the witty English bloke makes a fool of the arogant and stupid Yank with some well placed ironic quip!
Or is that just me?!
Or is that just me?!
Actually, he was born in America so he is also a native American He also lived in America until he was 12 years old.
As for the worship comment, lets not get carried away. It is Hollywood, opposite of what the OP is stating, and the media, that for some bizarre reason worships British actors/performers.
As for the worship comment, lets not get carried away. It is Hollywood, opposite of what the OP is stating, and the media, that for some bizarre reason worships British actors/performers.
Dtcenter77
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I totally agree. I also suspect it was 3,000 carefully selected imbeciles. Scientific, it isn't. But it is a good headline - I remember the bloody BBC running it as a near top story one day.
Sorry must be you because I don't feel that way .
My beef is simply that the US movie industry should feel the need to steal others thunder , as you say Hollywood) is one big propoganda machine and has no qualms about rewriting whole chunks of history.
Why ?
Does America have so little to be proud of that they feel the need to make movies like U571 ?
They should make a factual movie about the debacle that was Omaha Beach.
My beef is simply that the US movie industry should feel the need to steal others thunder , as you say Hollywood) is one big propoganda machine and has no qualms about rewriting whole chunks of history.
Why ?
Does America have so little to be proud of that they feel the need to make movies like U571 ?
They should make a factual movie about the debacle that was Omaha Beach.