United States of arrogance and anti-British Hollywood

I don't think anyone's getting all that "worked up". It's just a thread on a movies discussion board.

And I repeat, you could apply this argument to just about every single debate on these forums. Shall we stop all discussions and close the forum?
 
I know. Sometimes I can't help myself. I genuinely don't think there's proportionately much more xenophobia displayed in US movies than there is in UK films. It's just that there is an awful lot more US films out there.
 
The US were added to make the movie a pretty decent metaphor for modern international politics, not to market it. It hardly show the US military in a good light.
 
Hmmm... sounRAB like someone's getting a little worked up over people debating this point ;)

I'm sure many of the people who have read this thread and taken the time to contribute have done so because it is an interesting topic. They are most probably all movie fans (given that this is a movie topic thread) and mostly British (this is a UK web site) and as such may have a view on whether there is a bias to films made in the US about topics associated with the UK, especially deliberate re-writtings of history to favour the US.

It may be a generalisation, but there is an element of truth that some of the US population is educated about topics by watching films. Despite 'Holywood' being an industry, it is not immune to political influence. Certain 'banner' subjects get the Holywood treatment specifically to raise their profile across the home audience. Although the re-writting of history or occassional tendency to portray British actors as bad-guys could be seen as inconsequential, there is an important point. Disregarding the role of one's ally in an important historical period, especially at a time when the very same ally is one of very few who contunue to show support and continues to shed blood giving that support, could be viewed not only as disrespecful but immoral. I personally don't find it terribly amusing that someone's feelings run deep enough to want to participate in a debate on this.
 
well all countries in Europe who have had absolute monachies you'll find were tyranical so we don't exactly have exclusive rights on that one.

And lets not forget our absolute monarchy had been over thrown and abolished for over two hundered years when many Europeon countries still had one towarRAB the end of the 19th centuary.

But at the end of the day all countries who had had empires like us such as France, Spain, Italy and Greece have events in their history they are not proud of.
 
I've been to America a few times and felt perfectly welcome, I think the negatives in this thread are just due to Hollywood's distortion of facts, but sadly, because of Hollywood's prominence in the media, it enRAB up being incorrectly regarded as fact. You remember a film more than reading a book of accurate facts, so that's probably the problem.

It's Hollywood's fault (and also the people watching I guess for being ignorant to the truth), but you can't really blame them for trying to make money. The truth just doesn't sell sometimes.
 
Well said.
Shameful history is never the domain of any one race as history has shown time and again , tribalism (patriotism) is something in us all and many times one tribe has attempted to dominate or eradicate another.
 
Sorry, I wasn't aware that Hollywood had become our ally. When did that happen, then, and why weren't we told?


I think it's funny, but humour's in the eye of the beholder. How about if we told jokes instead?

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Mark
 
Nah, not a problem - pricking pomposity is always worth doing. Bottom line, there is no Hollywood conspiracy, and anyone who thinks there is, is quite simply mistaken.

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Mark
 
Hollywood does distort the facts which is wrong,it is Hollywood movies after all so what do you expect but we do seem very eager to call American's arrogant/Anti British and what not which I have found not at all true.
You also forget that us British have a very shameful history which we seem to like forget or brush aside.
 
I can't say we're much better over here. 25% of Brits think Churchill was fictional, while Robin Hood and King Arthur are thought to be real and 58% thought Sherlock Holmes actually existed.

That's not really the point, but it does annoy me when these arguments turn into everyone making stereotypical attacks on the entire US population. - That wasn't aimed at what you said btw Assa2, just a general comment :)
 
Yeah, I'm not that eager to claim someone like Mel Gibson, but he only has American citizenship. He was never given citizenship in Australia, which is why he's only an honorary Officer of the Order of Australia, or whatever the award is they give their film stars. He's also lived most of his life in the US. (And his mother was Irish-born, not Australian-born.)

Someone like Nicole Kidman, who was born in Hawaii to Australian parents who were temporarily working there, I would consider Australian, even though she also has American citizenship. But Gibson is not Australian.
 
I don't think anyone's claimed there's a big conspiracy. There just seems to exist a bit of a trend.

Incidentally, I've seen nothing on this thread as pompous as some of your posts.

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Ultrasonic
 
Agreed - no conspiracy. If there were, there's be a concerted effort to subtly alter history and eradicate any sign of bad behaviour by the US. As it is there are planty of films that show the US or American individuals in a bad light (in particular Vietnam films or films from the era. Nixon is an excellent example - title character played by a British actor... hmmm). Also Hollywood's attempts to rewrite certain historical events tend to be obvious and heavy handed. It is at the end of the day, all about the market they sell to.. but in today's climate of fair-trade and commerce with a consience you would have thought Hollywood would start to respect these things.
 
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