Toon Zone Talkback - The Official "Tintin" Movie News Thread

This should be good since it's done by WETA who all know how to perfect CGI nowadays on film and this will be their second Motion Capture animation movie after Avatar.

With Spielberg, Wright and Jackson at the helm, you can't go wrong with all 3 filmmakers.

Who thinks this Mocap movie will be as good as Avatar? how come no one complains about the Na'Vi in Avatar when it comes to Mocap creations? are they belivable and not uncanny?
 
The Na'Vi have eyes that are large and stylized enough to avoid the "dead eyes" that plague the more "realistic" human characters in Zemeckis movies like Polar Express and Beowulf. Ditto Gollum in Lord Of The Rings. If you're making characters who look EXACTLY like human beings, then don't animate them, just cast actual actors and shoot them against CGI backdrops, a la Sin City or 300. If I'm watching a cartoon, I want to see characters who are, well, cartooney. :shrug:

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I'm calling it out right now. Tintin is going to be a failure. It looks like the same problem as the Zemeckis movies.

WETA have done great work but even they aren't going to solve the uncanny value issue here. Here is what annoys me. Why not just make a traditionally animated movie with some really high tech or CG backdrop animation or just make a completely CG movie? Why this MoCap business?

Also no one is going to see a Tintin movie just because Spielberg or Jackson directed it.
 
I am, well, Steven Moffet and Edgar Wright writing the film helps, as does John Williams scoring it. This is like a dream team of awesome people in the movie industry. I'm super unfamiliar with Tintin (All I know is that it's a European comic from back in the day) and hate mo-cap (Well, I liked it in Avatar).
 
That's what they said about AI, Spielberg directing a story written by Stanley Kubrick, starring Academy Award nominee Haley Joel Osment. With a score by John Williams of course ;) .

Just saying man, Spielberg has done plenty of flops. Indiana Jones 4 was one of the worst movies Spielberg has ever done.

This isn't the same as Avatar really. It's 100% CG animated/live mo-cap movie. Those have a habit of bombing. It's not like Zemeckis' films didn't have huge talent attached either because they did . . . and a majority of them still failed :evil: .

Time and time again audiences have universally stated they don't like these movies and how they look. I don't know how Spielberg, Jackson, and WETA arrogantly believe they can solve this problem when Zemeckis hasn't been able to when he has been equally as arrogant. Now Gollum was something special no question. Lighting in a bottle, movie magic, call it what you want, he worked. What they are doing with these movies doesn't really work though.

I'm also at a loss why Spielberg wants to do a Tintin story when he mainly wants to do "dark" and cynical movies as of late. He tried to go back to his old style with Indy 4 and it clearly looked like his heart wasn't in it.
 
A.I., what was A.I. That movie never happened...yep...

I actually like Indy 4, I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think it was nearly as bad as everyone says it is. Better movie than Temple of Doom, IMO. Sure it was silly and had way too much CG, but I can enjoy it even alongside the other films.

Yeah, Avatar isn't the same, I'm not a motion-capture fan barring a few exceptions (Avatar, Gollum, video games). I just couldn't get into Beowulf because of it and haven't watched any of Zemekis's other mo-cap movies and some of his earlier movies are among my favorite films of all time.

I don't know if the writing, music, directing, etc. can save this movie from being another mo-cap disaster, but I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt until I see it myself.
 
OK, first off, I liked Indy IV. And A.I. And The Terminal. He also did two of the best films of the past decade with Minority Report and Munich. The whole reasoning that "Spielberg is losing it" is completely untrue as far as I'm concerned.

Zemeckis didn't convince me of mocap's potential, but I'm willing to give Spielberg and Jackson the shot. And even if they don't, I'm still confident it'll be a fairly good film in terms of directing and writing. I haven't watched any recent Doctor Who productions, but Steven Moffat seems to be much more highly-regarded than David Koepp (the writer of Indy 4/WotW/Lost World).

And why does it bother you that Spielberg alternates between light and dark projects? He's been doing that since the 90's where he bounced back-and-forth from Jurassic Park flicks to historical dramas. That's one of the reasons I admire him as a filmmaker and storyteller.
 
He's not really alternating. It bothers me because Indy 4 was so terrible and it was clear he didn't really want to make the movie because it was so lazy compared to previous Indiana Jones efforts. It bothers me because he says this is the "dark" period of his career so I wonder why he even bothers making Indy 4 and now Tintin.
 
Close to one billion dollars? That is not a flop. Besides, I thought it was a good movie. Not as good as the first Indy or the third one, but a MILLION times better than Temple of Doom. And I will see Tintin, because of what these people have done. One brief trailer is not going to do anything if the script and actors are good. And maybe this will be something that can only be done in Mo-Cap. You have not seen Tintin yet and are laughing it off. The fact is that with so many talented people working on this movie, it certainly seems likely that their talent will rub off. I have high expectations for this, I thought the trailer looked really cool.
 
Indy wasn't a flop but Spielberg has done flops even in the last 10 years. And Indy 4 was terrible :sad: .

Tintin does have good talent attached but even promising looking movies with A+ talent can also turn out poorly.

I am not sure what you mean. What is so special or unique about Tintin that it can only be done via live mocap? I'm not laughing it off at all. I'm simply predicting it will bomb. The animation looks like the Zemeckis movies which have yielded poor results.
 
I hope this doesn't bomb, since it could not only hurt Speilberg's reputation, but Peter Jackson and Edgar Wright's reputations, too, and then we might not see Wright do Ant-Man or (this is a stretch) the remastered Blu-ray releases of Bad Taste, Meet the Feebles and Braindead (a.k.a. Dead-Alive).
 
I almost forgot this movie was coming out! I mean, I knew it was in planning but I figured it would mysteriously disappear... oh, I don't know what I mean :sweat:

Anyway, I didn't realize it was coming out so soon! December, huh? Good or bad, I'm going to try to see it.
 
I need some cheeze because there sure is a lot of whine in this topic.

Ha ha just kidding.

I understand why people are worried and fearing the worst. I'm not a fan of the whole motion capped animation that tries to be photo realistic but the characters seem like zombies.

But really I'm hoping it will be better here after all it's not the same people doing the mo caping that studio is dead.

Now it's all a matter of opinion, I happened to like Indy 4 despite it's faults and I think it was a better movie then Temple of Doom. Don't agree with me fine it's called an opinion.
 
I actually know what you mean. This was a big project that was announced a while ago and suddenly it's like we hadn't seen nor heard almost any of it for quite some time. And only now they are getting around to finally promoting it.
 
What made Avatar and Gollum work was the fact that WETA let the animators go in and "plus" the motion capture to make it better instead of the director forcing them to take what the mocap gave them and clean it up ala-Beowulf.

James Cameron doesn't want to admit it, but the animators had much more to do with the final performances in Avatar then he wants to admit to the public.

In the case of Gollum, much of the mocap was used as just a reference. If the mocap didn't work as a base for the action, they threw it away and started from scractch, keyframing it.
 
Plus, Avatar & LotR weren't using realistic human characters. This movie maybe be ever-so-slightly stylized, but not enough to avoid the uncanny valley (and the question of "Why not just use live actors?").
 
I hope that was the final trailer, plenty was shown.

And here I am, the one most positive about the film, once again stating my approval: the music is once again wonderful, the action is good, Bell and Serkis are making for a good double act, the comedy isn't forgotten and the melding between Claws and Unicorn looks very intriguing.

Still highly stoked for this, bloody love the comics.
 
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