Toon Zone Talkback - "Ratatouille," "Peter and the Wolf" Take Oscars

Then how do you know that Chuck Jones' Peter and the Wolf was any better or worse than the version that received an Oscar nomination? Perhaps you should actually see something before passing judgement on it.
 
Nice attempt to distort my words, but that's not what I said. If that were the case, then I wouldn't have a problem with Ratatouille winning the Oscar because it has a "message," too.

What I said (or, at least, what I meant) was that Persepolis is an animated movie that does something visibly DIFFERENT from the usual fluffy stuff that comes out of Disney and DreamWorks and Sony. It's an animated film that's biopic and social commentary and has a real, honest-to-goodness PG-13 rating because there's some real tough stuff in there. It's something I'd let some kids watch (depending on the kid), but it's not aimed at kids and there isn't going to be merchandising for it. It also happens to be a terrific piece of HAND-DRAWN animation (or at least as hand-drawn as anything is these days).

I would like to reward all of those things because I'd like to see more of that. Judging by how many people here say that they wish "cartoons weren't just for kids," and also complain that CGI is taking over the world, I didn't think I was alone in thinking that way.

-- Ed
 
I gotta shake my head at that entire thread. Really sad.

Please, lets not drag this thread into American vs Japanese cartoons territory.
 
Yeah. This from the country that came up with Pokemon. Yeah. that pretty much shows a lot of excellence there, what with the 2 plots running for hundreds of episodes.

It's a freaking popularity contest, and people should start to let it gooooooo.
 
The only anime eligible at all this year was Tekkon Kinkreet (if you even call that anime). I loved that movie personally, but only like, what, 5 people saw it?
 
That's all well and good. But why does any of that make it more Oscar worthy? (As you second comment seemed to imply) Because it reinforces and maybe helps spread some of your opinions about animation and what animation can cover? (And again, your second comment seemed imply that the movie SHOULD have gotten the award for those reasons) That's basing an award on politics and message. Petty niche-industry politics and message, but still politics and message.

Not particularly disagreeing with any of said opinions, just saying it's a bad reason to award an Oscar.
 
OK, how about this reason:

The characters in Ratatouille are for the most part cliches. Some of them are likable cliches, but the only character capable of standing up to Pixar's best ensembles is Anton Ego, and he's only in 2 or so scenes. Remy's the typical Brad Birdian misunderstood genius with an extra layer of manipulation, Linguini is a mere cipher for the most part and never really gets to become his own person, Collette's a pretty bland love interest, etc. Persepolis, on the other hand, has fully-rounded characters. You care about what happens to them deeply. That's a sign of a better movie IMO.
 
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