Toon Zone Talkback - "All Dogs Go To Heaven": Heaven Help Us! This Is The Best You Can Do?

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There was once a PG cut of this? What could be different?

I have heard Charlie's Dog Hell dream was a bit longer and even more traumatizing originally. Maybe it was in there.
 
I honestly like this movie. I remember when I was little I would always rent it or watch it whenever it came on TV because my family didn't have it on video. I won't be buying the Blu-Ray anytime soon because I don't have a Blu-ray player and I already have it on DVD.
 
I thought that this was an interesting review. While I do like All Dogs Go to Heaven, I thought that Michael brought up some good valid points on its flaws. I never saw the logical flaw in the concept that all dogs go to heave because they're naturally go right after we see one dog murder another dog. Now that I think about it, that does sound kind of weird, but I must have wrote it off as that Carface had some kindness within him as well since Charlie got to go to heaven at first, even though Annabelle said that she had a hard time finding goodness in his past. Though, I always thought that Carface was a bull dog, not a pit bull.

I can see why he didn't think that the characters were compelling enough for him to really care about them given the way they're written. I felt bad for Anne-Marie not so much because she's an orphan, but because she's constantly being manipulated by animals to do what they want and she doesn't even mind living in a junk yard. Despite his behavior, including uing Anne-Marie for his own gain, I personally don't think that Charlie is unlikeable. Even before he died to save Anne-Marie, he obviously cared about her and Itchy, but his selfishness and greed just made him make choices that showed that he could be a jerk as well. As for the songs, I'm not sure if they're annoying, but I agree that some of them could be pretty bland and forgettable. I thought that a couple of them were cute and the ending song played during the credit is really touching.

I also really enjoy this move. It's my favorite movie from Don Bluth, but it might help that it involves dogs. I like most of the characters, I found that the story was pretty engaging for the most part and the artwork is great for the time. The ending always makes me cry. I didn't know that there was actually a PG version of the movie made. I thought that they just had that version planned out before they had to make it a G rated movie. Still, I remember being kind of scared during Charlie's nightmare that he was being sent to heck and I could see a PG version of that scene being even more disturbed. I don't plan on getting the Blu-Ray version of this movie since I don't have a Blu-Ray player. I don't even have the movie on DVD, but I don't know if I could ever watch this movie again due to losing my own dog. At the very least, I don't think I can for another good couple of years.
 
I don't like that cover art. What's up with Itchy's leg? And Anne Marie's expression almost looks flirtatious....



Carface is a bulldog. I agree that the line about all dogs going to heaven because they're all naturally good doesn't really make any sense when you take Carface into consideration. Charlie may have been a conman, and all around not that nice of a guy in the beginning, but ultimately he was really very selfless. Carface just seemed like a completely irredeemable jerk. They could have fixed this plot hole by showing some goodness in Carface as well, but they didn't....so yea it doesn't make a lot of sense.

I never thought Charlie was unlikeable either. He's always been my favorite character. I actually liked how he was a jerk in the beginning, but later on you saw how much he really cared about his friends.
I never cared for Anne Marie's song, and now that I'm older I'm not crazy about that "What's mine is yours" song. I like the rest of them though, even that silly alligator one. It's weird, but I don't think it's forgettable. As Monterey Jack pointed out, that scene is so odd that a tv trope was named after it.

It's also my favorite Don Bluth film. The ending is very touching. This movie was a personal favorite of mine as a little kid. I also confess that this probably had a lot to do with the fact that the main characters were dogs. I always thought it was a good movie, (still do) but it definitely has some flaws. I really like the artwork too (despite what Ebert has to say about it) except for how the female dogs look like they're wearing makeup.
 
According to the back cover of the blu-ray, Carface is a pitt bull. I just went according to that. It wouldn't surprise me if it was wrong, but I thought I'd rather err on the side of the cover.
 
Hmmm. It says the same thing on the back of my dvd copy. I know it's a cartoon, so his design is exaggerated, but he really looks much more like a bulldog. I guess it doesn't matter.


The show is based more off All Dogs Go to Heaven 2, so I'm not surprised that it isn't that great.
 
I'm not really sure how they could have shown goodness in Carface considering what he did to both Charlie and Anne-Marie during the movie, but it probably would have made him a more interesting character than just an evil mob-like boss. I thought that Killer, had some redeemable behavior during the movie since he does help Anne-Marie get to safety after Charlie dies. I think that there was something else about him that made Killer before the ending that didn't make him look like a villain, but I don't remember since I haven't seen the movie in ages.



I kind of liked Anne Marie's song. It's cute and showed us how she really just wanted to be part of a family. In retrospect, while the "What's Mine is Yours" sound has a nice beat to it, it does feel like it was just padding out the movie and giving more screentime to the young puppies, who didn't feel like they were necessary, along with their mother. As for the alligator song, it is weird, but I just never cared for it.



Yeah, as much as I do like the movie, I agree that it definitely has flaws. Most of the songs are decent, but not really memorable and some of the characters could have been written better, such as Carface. I also always thought that they should have made it clearer what happened to Anne-Marie. I thought that the couple would adopt her and she'd take care of Itchy like Charlie asked her to do, but it would have been kind of nice to have that confirmed at the end.



I've seen most of the series and while it does use the characters from the sequel, it also acts like none of the events ever happened. Charlie and Sasha aren't a couple or living at David's house like they were at the end of the movie, Itchy is still alive, Charlie pretty much forgot all of the character development he did go through in both movies, Carface is alive and Killer came back, despite not appearing since the original movie. I thought that the Christmas special they had was kind of cute though. I remember kind of liking the series back when it was airing on TV when I was little, but looking at it now, it just feels more annoying that it acts like none of the previous events ever happened. Granted, the sequel acted like the events from the original movie didn't happen either and the timeline is pretty confusing if you try to think about it, but I don't think it was as bad and it did reach a fairly satisfying conclusion.

I don't think that All Dogs Go to Heaven 2 is that bad. It certainly isn't as good as the original movie and I think that there are more flaws in there, but in terms of sequels, I thought it was pretty decent and fun to watch. I always thought that the design for David's step-mother was a reference to Anne-Marie since it kind of reminded me of what that character would look like grown up, even though the time difference between the two movies would prevent them from being the same person.
 
My sister and I love this movie, and we used to have it on video. Then we got rid of our video player and got a DVD player, but we never purchased the movie for DVD. It does make me a little teary-eyed at the end sometimes, but sad stuff does that to me. The "Hell" scene must have been kinda intense, because the G version was pretty intense on it's own. I'm sorry you lost your dog, I just lost mine back in January. That was probably the saddest day of my sister's life, actually. I sometimes wonder if he's in Heaven now. :(
 
This is the only movie I own that I regret getting the Blu-Ray for...The picture quality's no better than the DVD,and there aren't any special features,aside from the trailer...I also dislike that there isn't a regular menu,just a pop-up one (when you put the disc in,the movie just plays automatically)....

I do enjoy All Dogs Go To Heaven as a film,though...I'll agree that the songs aren't too great (I kinda like Ann-Marie's song,though),but the characters are interesting....Charlie's definitely a conman,but he does have a good heart deep down,Itchy is amusing,and Ann-Marie's a cute kid...

The animation is pretty decent (I love Charlie's nightmare about going to Hell...Don Bluth does nightmare fuel really well)...

and the ending of the film usually makes me cry...

Charlie chooses to save Ann-Marie from drowning,at the cost of his own life (the watch that was keeping him alive is also submerged)...

He goes to see Ann-Marie one last time (it's implied he's going to Hell,with the demon from his nightmare watching over him),but the Angel from the beginning comes and destroys the demon,and tells Charlie he can come home to Heaven,because of his sacrifice...

Charlie says his goodbye to Ann-Marie,and tells her to look after Itchy for him

I do recommend seeing the film,but IMO,just stick with the DVD....
 
I wonder if anybody could do a comparison. I would think 1.85:1 would be the right aspect ratio since widescreen movies were commonplace by 1989, and the DVD came out at a time when many "kid" movies were released in pan-and-scan. But I've heard "The Secret Of NIMH" was animated in full-frame, so I could be wrong.
 
Actually, most animated films (at least Disney's) are animated in between, I believe. Full-screen or wide-screen, you're losing something. I don't know how Bluth's films were animated though, other than his Fox ones that where specifically in CinemaScope.
 
All Dogs Go To Heaven is a SUPER uneven movie, for sure; it has some of the best sequences in Bluth's stable, I think, and some of the worst. "Let Me Be Surprised" is possibly my favorite animated song of all time; the entire scene has this great sense of weightlessness to it, the music is catchy, the lyrics well-written. Then on the other hand you have some real cornball stuff with Anne-Marie and those puppies and such.

But it's worth watching; there's no unforgivable sins to it, just a lot of eye-rollers. Charlie makes for a fantastic protagonist and Anne-Marie is nothing if not adorable, so the two of them on the whole make up for any shortcomings.

Good lord is that cover atrocious, though. Ugh.
 
The only thing I would say that would make this movie good was its music, although it's been ages since I last saw this movie. Although, regarding on the PG cut. I had heard something about Bluth having a copy of the original(I can guess it was the PG rated cut) of All dogs, but lost it.
 
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