Tool - 10,000 Days

I saw them a while back, and trust me, with all the lights and visuals, seeing the band 'rock out' really isn't that important.

Lately, though, Maynard seems to be really lazy live, not even bothering to sing certain lines (such as the climatic last few lines of Vicarious). Like, come on, don't be an asshole. I would've been pissed if he pulled that kind of shit when I saw them. Costed me $90 for one damn ticket.

And apparently they've been playing essentially the same setlist at every show for over a year now. You'd think they'd get bored of it after a while...

Anyway, as far as 10,000 Days goes, I agree with Merkaba. I like most of the tracks individually, but as a whole it just doesn't seem to flow that well - which is pretty disappointing because, as they proved with
 
Yeah I'm 16, and I used my paren'ts debit card. I'm pretty sure you can get a debit card even at 17 though. Or you could get an Amazon gift card or something.
 
I have never heard a band use it as a metaphor until Tool. I never once said in any post that Tool was original for using Eden in the song. I never said they were the FIRST to do it. I said, "I HAVE YET TO HEAR A BAND USE EDEN." Not once did I claim them the original users of Eden, and I even said that ages ago. I said it wasn't cliche. You're the one that nitpicked like a child, and changed the subject and said, "well that doesn't make em original!" Well, newsflash for you kid, it doesn't make Dylan original either, because it was done plenty of damn times before him. So now that you've danced around providing me proof that Dylan is absolutely the first person to do it, will you quit proving yourself to be like a damn 2 year old, and drop this ****ing subject? It's like you would argue with a damn brick wall if you could. Do you have nothing better to do then sit on rabroad all day long, and try your best to find random **** to have the last say in every subject? Drop it while you can bungalowbill. I'm done.

Edit: And so I don't get some smartass reply about it, "End of Eden" was written early July of 2007.
Therefore Tool was the first band I've ever heard to use it as a metaphor.
I haven't listened to much of Dylan, and don't intend to any time soon.
Alllllll off topic. The song, Right In Two, is not cliche. I don't see an assload of music about Eden floating around on the internet or radio, anywhere. So good arguing to you Ethan, but I've made my points. If you want to argue with yourself though, keep postin'.
 
What I was getting at is that his own musical interests span well beyond prog and metal. He has been experimenting with various styles and, well, Puscifer wouldn't even fall under Rock. He'd probably like to try all sorts of things.

The problem is that, due to industry demanRAB, Tool have to be Tool. Working within a fairly limited framework of ideas, they did all that they could from Undertow to Lateralus; they went virtually everywhere that they were able to go within that restricted framework, while still remaining Tool through and through. This is the reality behind why this band recorRAB quite so very little: they know how easy it is for them specifically, as a band, to burn themselves out.

When the time came to record that fourth LP, they'd already mostly reached a deadend. A group in a less restricted position might have sought to reinvent themselves entirely. But Tool had little option besides pandering to the fans and making what was in the end a pretty fan-friendly record.

What I question, ultimately, is whether, given an entirely free reign with no expectations from any quarters, Tool would have made 10,000 Days. My personal point of view is that they would have tried something rather different.
 
Well...I hate to break it to you, but the world of modern music is not in the philospohical realm.
And if you don't think the song is cliche, (which I believe you've been neutral on so far), good for you.
I highly doubt most people buy an album, come home, and think, "I wonder what kind of philosophical aspects
I can discern from this song." Specially with most people.
The lyrics may come off that way to you, but your opinion does not make that fact.
Same with mine. My opinion is that the song kicks arse, and you don't like it.
So...you suck....:finger:
Appreciate your views though.
 
Tool is amazing. They're one of the few banRAB left whose greatest asset is subtlety...

BTW Crowquill I would prefer that you say in my opinion rather than simply stating what you think is a "fact".

It is your opinion that maynard is a terrible lyricist, and you are entitled to that. However, my opinion is of the contrary and since music is gray area no one can simply state one thing is better than another.
 
I didn't say it was original.
I just said it wasn't cliche.
And it doesn't make Bob Dylan original either, if you want to get technical.
Eden was wrote about over 2,000 years before Dylan or Maynard's birth.


Edit: For the above post......lmao
 
The song was used as a metaphor 2,000 years ago, and as a song in general. Point...if it doesn't make Tool original, it doesn't make Dylan original either, because it was used in song format over 2,000 years earlier. Other point, Right In Two is not cliche. End of the entire discussion, hopefully.
 
Somehow I doubt christians were sitting in their pews using the Garden of Eden as a metaphor for war, but I havn't actually seen these supposed songs so I guess I can't comment.



It's not really a point if you don't back it up or counter what I said, well maybe it is but not a very good one. "Something being cliche isn't subjective. Being cliche means a popular metaphor, image, idea etc, comparing men to monkeys is a popular image, thus it's cliche."
 
Amen. That also shows quite a bit in Right In Two.
Subtelty has always been a strong point with them, and that combined with cleverness, are some main reasons why I like the band.
 
Have no argument? I made my point that the song is way beyond filler, and even you can't say that it IS filler. Seriously Ethan, why did you even post in this thread? My post was to Rainard to get his opininon on the matter, and you're two cents isn't needed in everything. Do you see me posting about how much Bright Eyes suck? No. Although that is my opinion, I'm not going to go into one of their threaRAB and call something filler, when even I can listen to one of their songs and see that it's not. (Saying that I would think that about one of their songs, and this is just an example. I can't say I know that any of their work would be filler.) Act your age, and realize that my entire point was that it is NOT filler. If anything on that cd is filler, it would be Lipan Conjuring. I can see absolutely no artistic talent in that track whatsoever. THAT is filler.
 
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