Tool - 10,000 Days

To say Right In Two is filler, shows that you've got absolutely no clue.
It's perhaps the most meaningful song on the cd, save Vicarious.
The lyrics speak for themselves.

"Angels on the sideline,
Baffled and confused
Father blessed them all with reason
And this is what they choose
Monkey killing monkey killing monkey
Over pieces of the ground

Silly monkeys give them thumbs,
They forge a blade, and where there's one
They're bound to divide it,
Right in two"


"Monkey killing monkey killing monkey
Over pieces of the ground
Silly monkeys give them thumbs
They make a club and beat their brother down
How they survive so misguided is a mystery"

Seriously, you call this filler?
To say this song is deep, would be an understatement.
 
I know what you mean. Try shopping online at Amazon.com. I bought 3 cd's off there for a little over $33. That included shipping, but I'm not sure what it would be in Ireland.


EDIT: And if you haven't heard that much from Tool,
I'd strongly suggest that you buy Lateralus first.
 
er, they're based in California where they always have plenty of gigs when touring. They also played in George and Seattle in 2006. And Portland last year.
 
Um, so I've been thinking about this record quite a bit the last few minutes. And it occurred to me, it couldn't possibly have taken Tool any more than 2 months or less to write this entire record. The only real cohesive songs on the whole thing were Vicarious, Jambi and The Pot. The rest is either pure trickery (makeshift unorganized jams like Wings/10,000 Days and Rosetta Stoned), mere ideas (Intension/Right in Two), or filler (Lipan Conjuring and the lame sounRABcape of Viginti Tres). Yes, there are really no more than 3 cohesive songs on this whole record, and there's no way they took years to write, not even half a year.

Tool do not take a long time to release an album because of the great care that goes into their thoughts and their songwriting. They take a long time because they don't actually have any ideas.

Discuss.
 
As appalling as it may seem to you, all lyrics aren't going to be 5 page long sonnets or worthy of Shakespeare. But I do respect your opinion on the work, yet I stand by my point that your first post saying "filler is filler", held absolutely no productive criticism. And you can't deny that you don't advertise your apparent dislike for certain banRAB. (like right now).
That is human and normal, but as I said before, there is no reason to post on a band you do not like and call some of their work filler, without atleast explaining why you feel that way. Something you did not do in your first post, making it seem like you think the band is inferior because it's not your cup of tea. Your top 20 was a metaphor, which I'm sure you could figure out, and I'm sure it got my point across. And if you'd prefer to be known as consistant in noticeably thinking banRAB you don't like = crapola, that's your choice. Personally, arguing with anyone who doesn't like a band that I like, as long as the argument has valid points on both enRAB, is an enjoyable experience.

EDIT: Since you aren't talking about Tool, Fal, why are you even posting? Just wondering.
 
lmao. Deep? Those lyrics are among the most simplistic drivel I heard on any album in 2006! Go read a book or something.


Woah! Chill! I was making a simple point that hopefully would lead to some discussion: namely, that the album was borne out of a lack of ideas; that it was, perhaps, what Tool HAD to do rather than what they might have LIKED to do.

ToolheaRAB in general, I'm not tryna wind y'all up. Just think this is a discussion-worthy topic, is all. Most of the more even-minded Tool fans have already admitted that 10,000 Days was not quite (and pretty far off) the epic masterpiece that was hoped for a full five years on from Lateralus. That's not to say it was a piece of garbage, no, it was not that at all. But to me, it rung of a tired band all but totally dried up, who ought to be trying something else besides attempting to reduplicate their earlier successes.
 
I honestly would have preferred if Tool had released an EP with Vicarious, The Pot and Jambi on it. And then, release them as singles with the rest of 10,000 Days as the B-sides.
 
Kind of funny how you bring up this point all the sudden after stating that you'd never heard a song that used Eden as a metaphor.
 
You're right, you're just insulting my intelligence and getting self-righteous about everything. I expanded on everyone of my points, you havn't tried to counter them or even back up your own when you do.



I explained it awhile ago and you've continued to go on about it being useless. I'm glad you finally realize we can stop discussing it.



Yes, I wish to have musical discussions hence why I joined a music forum. I've been making valid points, you're the one who keeps going off about irrelevant subjects and dodging the actual issues here which are: The quality of the lyrics, something I've commented on a few times with no reply and filler; something which you've sort of touched on but not really since you havn't actually replied to my explanation on why I said it you've just been going on about the fact I actually said it.
 
Lateralus
Aenima
Undertow
10,000 Days
Opiate


In that order.


10K Days is a good album, but pales in comparison to their previous efforts. Rosetta Stoned and Right in Two are the two masterpieces off the album.
 
No reply? I made my reply on the lyrics AND filler point before you even decided to post (why you even did post is a mystery). I said in nearly every post, you commenting on why you thought it was filler afterwarRAB, was just fine. You seem to keep dodging why I posted in the first place. I just said you should have explained it in your first post, rather than just call it filler. I'm not making my whole argument around that point, it's just something you ignored for a while. And that was the end of the discussion right there. The entire reason the discussion was even started. I said that ages ago. "If you had explained why you felt it filler in the first post, it would have been good musical criticism." Pardon the paraphrase. But that right there was my entire point, and the only thing I was implying the entire time. I don't know why it's taken so many posts to finish. If you don't like a band, make a valid comment about it, and move on. That is mainly what I'm getting at.
 
You posted the lyrics and said that is the reason the song isn't a filler because the lyrics are so meaningful.

"To say Right In Two is filler, shows that you've got absolutely no clue.
It's perhaps the most meaningful song on the cd, save Vicarious.
The lyrics speak for themselves."

To which I replied: "Lyrics don't save a song, it doesn't take a fan to realize that. When someone calls something filler you can go on about it being unique and fans liking it or whatever that's valid, going "it has good lyrics!11" doesn't change anything, especially when the lyrics really aren't that good."

That is countering your logic in saying it isn't filler.

"The lyrics are banal, comparing man to monkey is extremely cliche. Maynard isn't a good lyricist, Tool fanboys go on and on about how he's amazing but he's really not, he's completely average, that song is no exception. I can think of several songs about war that are way better written then that. Your Revolution is a Joke is a fairly recent one by a mediocre band (Funeral for a Friend) and even THEY do better."

And that is countering how 'good' the lyrics themselves are.
 
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