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Oh, aye. I can only understand what you express, no?

ringhunter said:
You are a pirate. You are on this board specifically because you don't abide by the morality rules set in place by society; and go as far as downloading material illegally to ignore those rules. Who do you think you are determining what other people's moral impediments should be?
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Like this, for example.

ringhunter said:
We lose that understanding and go on a ridiculous witch hunt to ban traders/cheaters, when really, all they're doing is cheating the cheaters by the same code the cheaters cheat the system.
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Yes, quite ridiculous. If I am running an illegal fruit picking and distribution scheme, why expend any effort to find the day laborers who are pissing on the fruit? After all, I'm a criminal.
 
anon-sbi said:
While this obviously isn't Mihai's case, some aren't that knowledgeable with torrents and think cheating is the way to increase your ratio, so they don't even see it as such. This view is further fueled by the fact most Romanian trackers don't even care about faking upload and have no scripts against it, the administration of one of them openly admitting this. Then they join international sites where the staff does care, try to cheat as in .ro trackers, get banned, and probably don't even know why.

It sounds stupid to informed users like you and me, but how do you convince someone that doesn't know any better?
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I am not sure this info is updated Anon ! **-Inn should dig a little harder, maybe creating a poll on that !
 
Mihai said:
Yeah.I got the whole country banned on SCC you know:lol:
Serios now, Romania was banned because of too many noobs who cheat too much and just want those accounts to trade them or sell them.And I'm sure none of my 4 accounts I had there were banned until this day...
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You have no idea why we ended up banned at SCC...it involves Paypal and hacking accounts...three times over!!! Oh,and a formidable stupid racist female !
Hei, good news ! I saw a pabstein note floating around here about you ! You are famous !
 
QPD said:
Cabalo, what you say is true , and a safe bet, but immagine if this would apply to wounded soldiers in a war...

There are a lot of simple precedures to prevent this,For example:

1.Controll the .ro invitations with speedtest, reccomendations and ohter trackers activity ( or forums activity )
2.Ban the inviter along with the invited one (in case of faking or other missbehaviour).This way the inviter will be more prudent in choosing his invitees.

I am a former admin on a 10k+ user tracker.I know that it;s not hard to put this in practice.
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i agree with u.
 
susiserken said:
U cant download the exact same stuff from other trackers? or is pre times and teh leetnes that important to you that you cant use other trackers?
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It's not about that I don't have other accounts, It's the apperheid that enoys me.If you don't know the term google it!
 
ringhunter said:
You know, mockery only works when you have an understanding of the subject. I didn't say cheating was right. I didn't say it was wrong, either. And you're welcome to point me out to where I hinted at the slightest of what it should be or whether it should be allowed. I didn't point out the moral implications of an immoral individual talking about ethics. I don't give a rats ass about any of those subjects.

What I do have a problem with are hypocrites. This must be the thousandth time I'm explaining it but here it goes. We are pirates, we discard the rules society imposes on us. And yet, some of us go as far as attempting to establish a moral doctorate [EDIT:] doctrine by which we all must abide by. Do you not see how hypocritical it is for a law breaker to attempt and set laws and expect people to follow them? The same people that raise a finger to "the system" because they have a fundamental understanding that not all rules should be followed are distraught when someone breaks their own rules; nay, they go as far as referring to it (with great audacity, if I may add so myself) as immoral.

All of us act by the unspoken acceptance of the fact that we all are allowed to make choices based on our personal and exclusive moral codes instilled within out personalities. You don't see two pirates pointing fingers at one another and blaming the other for torrenting the latest movie. It's basic logic and understanding. Yet it is lost when someone demeans or crosses the "moral" borders that we as pirates decided not to cross. We lose that understanding and go on a ridiculous witch hunt to ban traders/cheaters, when really, all they're doing is cheating the cheaters by the same code the cheaters cheat the system.

My argument is, as long as one reserves the liberty to set his own moral code, he has no right to impose said code on another individual. Do I think traders are wrong? I do. Do I think cheaters are wrong? Yes. Will I tell them so? Heck to the no. I let them make their own choices, just as they let me make mine.



Thank you for understanding and not resorting to low forms of wit to argue. :yes: (for once, I'm not being sarcastic when giving a compliment)
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Your argument is flawed because private trackers are not illegal. They were created to service people with their specific needs. Downloading something from a tracker is the same thing as borrowing something from someone. However, cheaters don't simply download stuff; they steal stuff, and it's as bad as stealing something from a store or a friend in real life.
As you know, the Oink founder is now free because he was found innocent of any crime. It just proves to us that private trackers are legal.
 
I don't know if Israel and Romania should or should not stay banned at private trackers. I never staffed a tracker, so I don't know if whole countries should be banned. I just know that if I lived in either of those countries and was banned, I would be upset.
 
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