To ban or not to ban...This is the Q..

I myself am disappointed but glad at the same time that we are banned on SCC and GFT.Why?That's simple.Because people here, in Romania, don't know how to appreciate a tracker and tend to put the trading level first and then the content.For example, if a guy says he has TV and TL he still says he needs SCC.Why?He would probably say because he wants the best speeds.But that's bullshit.He just wants it to brag with his new 0-day ubercool tracker that he will use only for 1-2 weeks and then will just keep it to show off.So us being banned on these trackers makes us see the truth, that there are plenty more very good trackers out there that we can use.
Of course that's not the case for every romanian here.No, it's just the majority do this.I know since I was one of them...
 
ringhunter said:
This again.

You are a pirate. You are on this board specifically because you don't abide by the morality rules set in place by society; and go as far as downloading material illegally to ignore those rules. Who do you think you are determining what other people's moral impediments should be?

Please. If you're going to argue that cheating is wrong; then say that it's because it's cheating. It's not how the system works. They are not working for what other people spend months to do. Etc etc etc. Give a legitimate reason, not some verbal nonsense that's supposed to pry on a pirate's non-existent sense of self-righteousness.

Then again, religions thrive on this sort of bollocks.
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That so? Download some files, forfeit right to any moral standards whatsoever. So: no authority to comment on rapists, child killers, terrorists and the like. After all, we've broken society's pact. No different than anyone else who has, really.

I assume jaywalkers should shut the hell up as well. Damn scofflaws.
 
I'm sure they also thank you for cheating and getting them banned from these sites in the first place. You're a great example to your countrymen.
 
Swift said:
We will not know anything untill a staff from the above mentioned trackers reply here.
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Pretty sure they will not!
I am more interested in member's opinion here.Changes won't happen soon...but if more members are aware of that, things might move in the favorable manner.
 
Probably the most sensible comment I have read so far.

but at the risk of generalization I would say that the vast majority of people you cheat or steal don't do it out of necessity.
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People like that exist, although I don't think it's the vast majority. Either way, those of us that are experienced enough will also shun the ones that cheat just because they can, or think flashing a few PBs is cool.

Benjamin said:
I was keeping 1:1 ratio on ScT with SBC DSL 20kb/s upload . You have no idea what you're doing.
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I never said it was impossible, but if you're talking about legit seeding, I have enough knowledge about how BitTorrent and P2P in general work. I know how to be connectable, fine tune my client, and which torrents to jump on. I only meant that for the average user with a normal upload speed that doesn't want to spend a lifetime seeding, getting a good buffer at ScT is next to impossible - in the short term, at least - when torrents jump from 1 seeder to 40 while you're 3% done.

Bad-Day said:
:w00t::w00t::w00t::w00t::w00t::w00t::w00t: ANON !!!!!!!!! OMFG Is it really you?

Geeeez great to see you in here my friend!
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Yes, it's me. Do I know you?

Hes cool, unfortanly hes connected to that place but hes cool!

can u reenable is privs please ?
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I'm not interested on editing my profile, sending PMs or accesing the trading area (I don't even trade), so why should he? Furthermore, "Disabled Privs" looks much better than "n00b". :cool:
 
QPD said:
Do you think Romania and Israel should ever be allowed again on SCC,SCT and GFT?And what should change in order to make it possible?
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i have an idea that a lot of trackers use it to take good user and ban the bad users they can interview us.
not all users the users that desreve to be interviewed and the user can decide if he desreve or not by his work to get in the tracker and work hard to get what he want and when he reach the point that they believe that its he is good they can interview him its simple and good for both users that have something to give to others and staff.
 
I think the problem is that when you ban someone. They may have a dynamic ip and just get another account and do it again. If there are a large number of people doing it in a region then to keep them out you end up having to ban huge IP ranges.

If it is a tiny tracker that has a small amount of members then it is easier for staff to keep tabs. But when you have 10,000 plus members I can see why some trackers think it's just not worth the work. I'm not saying I agree with banning countries, but I dont think the sites that do it are doing it for fun or something.
 
I would have to agree with the country bans if the stats show that the vast majority are bad users. Like was mentioned earlier, those individuals running the trackers we all use do have real lives to live and can't spend all of their time monitoring each and every user. It only makes sense to institute such broad bans.

As for cheating, I am of the mindset that cheaters do not deserve a second chance. These are private communities after all with their own rules of conduct. Why would a community such as ScT or SCC tolerate a cheater when a good user is more than willing to take their place? If someone can't follow the rules of any private community (online or irl), they simply do not belong there.

Also, afaik, some country bans were not instituted only based on the amount of ratio cheaters or traders, but also because of the large amount of credit card fraud involved in those countries (donations), which has much more serious implications than simply cheating one's ratio.
 
momassalha said:
i believe that everyone must get his chance to enter anysite if he work hard to get it ,their is alot of good users in both countries that every staff must take care and give them access not all users at romania and israel and egypt are cheaters and traders there are users that can give alot to any community they enter and those users must get what they deserve like the old users that prove that they r u good and get access to the trackers why they dont give the new users a chance to prove themselves i hope the staff at those trackers read my reply and understand my point and thanks.
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The fact they gave the users a chance to prove themselves is the reason why they are banning them now, no ?
If they don't give them the chance, then they won't face potential problems, i suppose.
Not that I agree with the theory about banning entire countries, but when they present such arguments, as these 75%, what can one say?
 
caoh said:
That so? Download some files, forfeit right to any moral standards whatsoever. So: no authority to comment on rapists, child killers, terrorists and the like. After all, we've broken society's pact. No different than anyone else who has, really.

I assume jaywalkers should shut the hell up as well. Damn scofflaws.
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This is an appropriate reply to the argument that one "finds no honor among thieves".

Of course one can find a certain ethos among certain criminals. There are certain dictates that even the most hardened of confederated criminals do not violate. Call it the 'moral code' of the confederated criminal.

It's still the old adage about oxen and goring :blink:
 
Things aren't as black as white as you may think. Should have a look at our "why do you cheat" thread. It's not cheating that hurts trackers - but hit & run that does. A lot of us do actually try to give back by uploading, but sometimes it just isn't enough.

And I have always thought country bans are for lazy admins that prefer making one click and shut the door for everyone over actually making efforts to ban cheaters.
 
We will remain banned and we deserve it !!!
But as RevTT does, certain people who proved themselves to be worthy should be allowed in.
 
But the concept of sharing has evolved, and now there are plenty of ratioless sites, plus RS links, plus newsgroups, plus emule, plus DC etc etc.
There's no explanation nowadays to defend the use of such clients.

And how does a hit n runner creates the need to use a fake client? It will even make people more able to send data, as there is one less seeder on the swarm, thus making it easier for everyone else to seed.
 
Ratioless sites: you're right. I totally respect these and have never cheated there. If you can't simply leave your client open for 48/72 hours, you shouldn't be a part of them in the first place.
Rapidshare: even though I do have access to one, a lot of people don't have a Premium account. And you probably know that as a free user you have to deal with a speed limit, very annoying wait times, and the fact that they "don't" always have enough slots.
Newsgroups: you have to pay for access to most of them. Isn't this the same as Pay2Leech?
eMule: it's a great resource for rare files - however, speeds leave a lot to be desired.
DC: never tried it, so I couldn't tell.

If you need an explanation to cheat, take sites like ScT. There's a thread right on this board about how they reached 190MB/s, which is 9500 times my upload speed of 20kB/s. On my eyes, such sites simply don't need me to seed.



Needless to say, someone that takes without giving back ruins the whole concept of sharing. Of course, the people that uploaded to him will have their upload counted, but it'd be a lot better if he joined the seeders to make the torrent faster for everyone. My point was:

1. someone snatches a torrent and seeds. He manages to upload. 1.0 ratio.
2. someone snatches a torrent having cheated on it, but seeds. He manages to upload. 1.0 (real) ratio.

There's no difference. So I'd say cheating itself isn't the problem, but how some people handle the fact they no longer have to really seed back.

And about this:
You have received an infraction worth 5 point(s).
Reason: Disabled Privileges
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Dupe account of Icarus.
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I don't even know who Icarus is. However, I'm not stupid enough to use my real IP on FST. It's probably the latter that triggered your multiple account detector.
 
Execptions should be made. Fact.

If they want, they can use their seedboxes ip, to enter such sites, i did it on bitmtv while, us portuguese were banned, and will, do it again! once we get banned again.

Romanians, i have met some great guys over at Iplay, theyre stuff is remarkably friendly, and very helpfull! Czone was great also, there are many cheaters and traders everywhere, the difference is, they know how to do things better.

Ps: The biggest cancer, on p2p. - S B I N N O V A T I O N - Is german! And u dont seed germans being globally banned from anywere do you ?


Anon - G O F U C X Yourself :)
 
IdolEyes787 said:
Wtf does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
In reality the true reason why someone like you cheats is far different than that.:dry:
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Have to do with what? :huh: I think my point was quite clear. 90% of ScT's users have seedboxes or 100Mbit lines. I don't see the need to seed with my crappy upload speed.

And please define how someone like me is.
 
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