To ALL the Symbian/Nokia Bloggers

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Edwardzgrrl17

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I allready asked DarlaMack but I want to see everyone's view.



If all the bloggers of symbian and nokia products.... all who get the tester phones and or free phones period.... If you have all these avenues of communication with Nokia why cant you guys all write them about the North America Symbian situations?
 
I think Nokia is more aware of the Symbian situation in NA, than most of us are. They just don't want to service a market that is being ruled vastly by the carriers and in which the manufaturers have little or no influence. I'm sure they've done their homework before we even knew there is a "Symbian situation".
In other words, I don't think any manufaturers are to blame for the situation in the american marketplace. Oh, except for one - Qualcomm. Yeah, they can help you out.
 
Nokia does work with US carriers. But the carriers aren't keen on high end (expensive) phones unless they have a business bent like the Cingular 8525 (they know how to sell those and there's an established market for them in the US now). Nokia is not avoiding the US so much as the carriers here aren't committing to high end S60 phones. Without a volume order, such as through a carrier, it's not cost effective to produce a phone with US 3G bands (Nokia a a large company and they work in large numbers).
 
NA carriers are extremely demanding, they want their branding and their own very customized firmwares. They dictate what features they want on the phones. Many carriers will disable bluetooth transfers because they want to sell their own ringtones on their wap site. They disable wifi for the same reason. They are now building out their 3G networks at great cost but the point is mostly to sell their own services on them, such as videos and music bought on their own portals, so they want handset that support not only the network but that they can integrate with whichever protocols and services that power what makes them money. In short they demand a whole lot from the handset manufacturers, and Nokia is perhaps the most independent company out there, at least much more so than Moto and Samsung, which usually get the lion share of the US market. And that's just one aspect of it, then you have the fact that they need to use a different band than the rest of the world which is highly annoying, and the whole FCC process, it's really not an attractive market.
 
I don't know if anyone of you who replied are bloggers. But the bloggers have avenues to communication that common "civilian" phone users don't. Qualcomm isnt the total culprit.... The chips just dont hop in the phones by themselves... Nokia opts to have or not to have em
 
While I am not a blogger, I feel that there is an important point that has not been said. While there are exceptions to the rule (namely us), the VAST majority of Americans will accept the mass produced crap that they are being offered without even questioning it. I was once that way, then my buddy showed me his brand new 6230, freshly imported.... my life changed at that momemt (ok, well I suddenly realized my phone was a piece of crap). The cellular market is a relatively new one and the business practices being employed to capture the market place are changing before our very eyes, think back to five years ago, what was being advertised then? It wasn't really the capabilities of one phone versus another, hell it was probably tri-band (I wouldn't know I was ignorant back then). Now we are seeing things like design and funcationality being focused on, sure the hardware has evloved allowing such things, but if you ask the average Joe who thinks he knows his cell phones what the hottest phone of this year will be and he will tell you the iPhone. Now depending on how you define "hot" he most likely is correct. Does the N95 make the iPhone look like it should have come out three years ago? Sure, but guess which one will sell VASTLY more in America (and almost guaranteed, worldwide). I am glad to see the focus shifting, it is moving in the right direction. It will take time, the only thing scares me is what MS is going to do to keep s60 out of the hands of the carriers. The carriers carry all of the power right now, that is something that will change only when consumers are willing to spend a bit more money up front to afford the freedom of choice. Right now I could give a way a phone and charge $20 / month for it instead of offering a $100 up front one time cost and I bet that 60% of my customers would take the monthly installments.

Wow, im getting off topic... hopefully you see my point. The marketplace has to change before s60 will take off.
 
As we see currently with the litigation of Nokia v. Qualcomm in the EU its not soo much the chips as it is the IP (intellectual property).
 
Why do you need a blogger to get a response from Nokia about it? Read up on everything that's happening with Qualcomm and Nokia, check out a Cingular branded phone, talk to the average US phone user, and find the answers for yourself. They're plenty that's already been said in this thread, let alone the other ones about it on this forum and the various articles floating around about it on the Internet/Google.
 
That is one of the two major mindsets which are being marketed to currently, the other one, the far less noticeable one, but the one that sells far more phones, is the "how much is this thing going to set me back?" crowd. Granted now some of the "nicer looking" phones have become nicely nestled between free and "high end". Thus drawing an even bigger mass appeal and pulling some people who sit on one side of the fence to sit on top (RAZR anyone?)
 
rest assured that I bring it up in any and every communication I have with anyone who might remotely be involved. However, that doesn't always mean it doesn't get glossed over by the recieving party...
 
These are all valid points and even though the issues are brought up several times (I've posted about the Club Nokia USA, US Warranty Issues, S60 Compatibility on several occasions) it seems like one side of the world isn't in conjunction with the other side... for what reasons I have no clue.

Even while the N95, which is not 3G compatible to the US, was released here, it looks like an attempt by Nokia to at least start giving consumers what they ask for. I'm not sure if any of you that have gone into the Nokia stores have noticed, but with all the gripes and feedback that Nokia received about the issues with the E62 they finally made an unlocked version avaivable for purchase. So its not like our voices are going un-noticed, it just seems to be taking longer than we would like.
 
I meant to say that Qulacomm's monopoly on the CDMA market, not the chips that Nokia puts in the phones, is a big problem. Nokia's problems with Qualcomm have a different character and it's too early to say the kind of impact that's gonna have.
But the US market is different. The high end segment is largely Treo and Blackberry. Even Microsoft had difficult time making it in the States. I really don't see Symbian making it big time in the US. It's probably gonna take a marketing camaign so big that it must really not be worth it for Nokia. But in any case I'm sure they have a better knowledge of the problems they would be facing in America than we do, and they have probably made their decision accordingly. I doubt that Nokia is really going to change anything just because a thousand people on some website are disappointed.
 
Having read this thread I really think the bottom line is finding individuals capable of learning to use such a device in the U.S.A
 
(if you don't want to read below)
Razr and SK3 are all hip and don't deliver. Nokia ownz.

I really liked a lot of the comments and learned quite a bit. From what I see here in Phoenix, AZ, everyone wants the RAZR until they get one and realize how crappy it is; same goes with the Sidekick 3. People nowadays do not research the phones (or anything for that matter) for call quality, functionality, etc, they just tend towards the masses. I have both the E62 and E61 (I'm in the process of selling the E62) and I must say, I will keep this phone for a very long time. They are supposed to be the US and world versions, respectively, but the US lacks a LOT of necessary features that I wanted in a phone. I researched the E62 a bought it because I thought I could unbrand it and live without the wifi; however, I didn't read that the NSU wouldn't unbrand the phone anymore. But, I would have bought the E61 had I known that. I do hope Nokia starts making a much stronger impression in the US market because there phones are far superior in reception and functionality.

Stephen
 
First of all, I want to thank you for linking to that particular post. Before there were blogs there were forums with Howard Forums, AllAboutSymbian, and Phonescoop which in my opinion educated consumers on what phones were available. I know when I first got into mobile phones I rested here and AAS. To be quite honest... the rep that signed me up for my first service plan with Voicestream referred me here!!! So there are channels for educating consumers.

What kills me... and I mean to the point where I want to scream is when sales reps or customer care reps for providers are completely clueless!!! I called Cingular yesterday to inquire about the N75 and the person that I spoke to told me that they weren't gonna carry the phone because its exclusive to another carrier. WHAT KIND OF TRAINING DO THESE PEOPLE HAVE!!!

Howard Forums has always been a sort of a secret society where we learn here and go out and ask the correct questions and get all the dumb answers. Lol sorry for ranting but its true. There seems to be a gap in between manufacturer and provider and I want to know why???

Many people such as Ricky and myself, and of course many users here, have already proven that S60 devices can be used without the need of special internet sites or branded software from Cingular/T-Mobile. So when are the providers gonna just let us loose?

Lol have I gotten off topic?
 
I really wish one of the bloggers who talks with Nokia on a regular basis would ask Nokia if their heads are stuck up their... you know.

Why is the E50 still coming soon, while the N95 is out? The E50 could have been launched nearly a year ago, and I guarantee it would sell a lot more phones in the US than the N95 will.

I would ask Nokia why they're abandoning S80, and S80 owners/developers, by moving the E90 to a S60 platform. Newsflash for Nokia... S60 is NOT meant for a landscape VGA type display. Everyone but Nokia seems to know this..

I think, basically, I want the old Nokia back. The company that seemed to know what they were doing, not the one that seems to be chasing buzzwords.
 
I still think that the strongest words we can use is our wallets. Cingular keeps track of what devices you're using, despite the fact that they don't carry it. Users on this forum can verify that they have had techs in CS list out every device they've put their sim cards in.

Once there's a trend of people buying unbranded phones, Cingular (and the others) will notice eventually that we're not buying their crappy phones, and both they and Nokia will take notice and start to do something.

What can we do? Educate your friends. The more people that buy unbranded phones the better.
 
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