TNA Wrestling (US Pace, Un-Tagged Spoilers)

I think the team 3d angle is intruiging since it's apparently already been confirmed they've signed a new multi-year contracts.

so obviously i would assume some kind of shenanigans at the end of the inevitable match with the MCMG which would then lead to a heel turn.
 
Impossible to judge until from the spoilers,but it appears to be a huge letdown after the last two episodes,which I found impressive.

Matt Morgan turning babyface is rushed IMO and certainly didn't help his progression 12 months ago.Not only that but what's all this about him suddenly developing a conscience,refusing to wrestle somebody with a concussion? He viciously sidelined Hernandez and has spent the last six months attacking nearly everybody! Not sure if how it transpires,but jobbing to Jeff Jarrett - the 43 year old glorified mid carder - doesn't sound too promising.

Why book another Last Rites (casket) match? The last one,held outside of Orlando,evoked the notorious "Fire Russo" chants and was simply pathetic.Not only that but the gimmick match is archaic,boring and trademark WWE,and it doesn't suit the Abyss character.
 
No mention of Jeff Hardy or Kurt Angle?


I've no idea why anyone thought this was a good idea. As you've pointed out:
1 - It's rushed. Build up the dissension slowly, string the audience along and then people might tune in to see whether Morgan is going to turn.
2 - It's out-of-character. Again, with the right build-up it may have worked but it's a complete change of character overnight.
3 - It doesn't suit him. He's a very entertaining heel, why turn him face? He's the last person in Fourtune I'd pick to turn face.


Again, agree wholeheartedly. I thought TNA was going to promote "realism"? It's a cartoon gimmick match that won't convince anyone to buy the PPV.

On top of that we saw the return of the catering table brawl (remember when they used to do one a week?) and another Fourtune vs. EV2 match, this time with a stupid stipulation to it.
 
Impact results for Thursday.

TNA Impact:

We open up impact with Hulk Hogan's theme song and Hogan's pyro. Eric Bischoff and Hogan (still on crutches) come out and there is a mixture of cheers and boos in the building. There are some loud "Hogan sucks" chant as Biscoff introduces Hogan. Hogan says, "Enough of the crap" and that it's time to take what is their's. Fans chant "Please retire." Hogan says that Dixie Carter lied to him and sold him a false bill of good when it came to TNA, so now "Hollywood" Hogan is taking over TNA. Bischoff introduces the first member of Team Hogan, Abyss. Abyss hugs them and screams, "They're here!" Hogan calls Abyss his son. Bischoff them introduces Jeff Jarrett, who said that at first, he didn't see eye to eye with them but then realized they are on the same page. Bischoff cut a promo on Dixie, saying Dixie took Jeff's company from him, but Fourtune's music played and out came Ric Flair and Fourtune.

Flair said that Fortune runs TNA, not anyone else. Flair says that tonight, either he or Hogan have to leave TNA forever and they face off, then hug. Bischoff asked if anyone thought that 25 years ago, Flair and Hogan would be on the same team ever. Bischoff then introduced TNA champion Jeff Hardy, who comes out. Everyone in the ring claps for Hardy while the crowd is split. There is a loud "You sold out" chant. Hardy said he didn't sell out, he sold in. Hardy said that he doesn't care about his fans and reveals he was the one who was behind the Abyss attack on Rob Van Dam.

They cut to Sting and Kevin Nash watching backstage. Bischoff asks them to come to the ring and let bygones be bygones. Nash and Sting come out. Bischoff asks them to join the crew but Kevin says, "Thanks but no thanks." He cut a promo saying he is sticking with the TNA family and is "passing on the money this time." Sting says that he loves TNA and history won't be repeating itself, and turns them down as well. Bischoff says the offer stanRAB when they change their mind.

*Madison Rayne cuts a promo and says that Tara beat her at Bound for Glory and that wasn't supposed to happen. Tara comes out and Rayne tells her that she is the only reason that Tara is back in TNA and Tara neeRAB to do the right thing. Tara lays down and lets Rayne pin her. Madison begins celebrating but Mickie James comes out and says that she came to TNA to make history, so why not let it be tonight. Madison shoved Tara into her and ran off.

*Kurt Angle came out to no music to make a statement. There's a big "please don't go" chant from the crowd. Angle says he re-injured his ribs and his neck last night but before he announces his retirement, he wants answers. Out comes Jeff Jarrett, who tells him that Angle said he would retire if he didn't win the title. Angle says that he was the one who out TNA on the map, that his loss at the PPV was the final nail in TNA's coffin and Jarrett can have his ex-wife, but Angle is getting a piece of Jeff. Angle throws the mic down and goes for Jarrett but the two security guarRAB take Angle down and handcuff him. Jarrett begins beating down. Taz finally takes of his heaRABet and comes down, telling Jarrett to back off. Jarrett finally does and we don't have any official announcement of Angle retiring. Good segment.

*Samoa Joe defeated Abyss by DQ when Abyss attacked Joe with the ring bell, busting him open. Before Abyss could do any more damage, Rob Van Dam hit the ring and cut a promo calling out Hardy. Hardy appeared on the screen, talking about frienRABhip. Bischoff comes out and says the main event tonight will be RVD vs. Mr. Anderson with the winner getting a shot at Hardy. RVD immediately accepts.

*Fortune defeated Pope Dinero in a four on one handicap match after Beer Money hit DWI on Pope, then beat him down after the match. Pope got in a good amount of offense.

*The Shore comes out and cuts a promo on The Jersey Show. JWoww comes out with The Beautiful People. Cookie makes fun of JWow, leading to a catfight between the two. Cookie enRAB up carried to the back by Robbie E.

*Ken Anderson vs. Rob Van Dam goes to a no contest after Eric Bischoff pulls the referee out of the ring. Jeff Hardy shows up and uses a chair on both of them. Some fans threw plastic bottles at Hardy but Universal security removed them immediately.
 
I would like to congratulate TNA for making a serious issue in 2010 into a storyline instead of copying oold ones from 1996.


Wrestlers turn face/heel all the time. I dont see why its such a problem this time.

He goes from being just a guy in a big stable to main eventing Impact. Morgan is going to get a big push and be a top babyface alongside Pope and Joe. SounRAB good to me.

Jarrett beat a guy who jobbed to Kendrick a month or so ago and apparently he did it via a low blow so it doesnt seem like a clean win. Anyway. 43 year old Jarrett can still go just as well as a guy 15 years younger.



I didnt watch TNA when they had the first "last rites" match or whatever it is called. How is it so bad?

I think the Fortune vs EV2 match was good at BFG and will probably be more than watchable again. I dont see a problem with the stip other than its obvious EV2 will lose.
 
Lets just post the spoilers up shall we:



I get the impression that Fortune won't be IN they, but they will have free reign to do whatever they feel like within the company (such as the 4 on 1 match). Two heel groups is too much IMHO, it'll wind up having the 'nwo-B' team vibe that existed when the Stevie Ray led black and white nWo ran alongside the red and black wolfpack after the finger poke of doom...

The womens finger poke of doom / non match is fine by me. The reason the finger poke of doom failed was because itw as the main story and advertised as a massive thing. They promised change, and didnt deliver. This is just Madison exerting her power over Tara, and tara putting up with it... for now. ReminRAB me of when HHH/HBK had that 'non match' for the european title in 1997...
 
Your making it sound like they have turned him in just 1 week. Maybe they could bully him into staying with Fortune or The Immortals. Just because he got a beatdown doesn't mean he is out of the group completely. There is another set of spoilers online which has a few things changed slightly and as far as the main event goes it doesn't even mention Matt Morgan getting beat up after the match.
 
That is the problem when your audience is made up of smarks. It's only done to make themselves feel better and try and attempt to be superior to the casuals in attendance. Your average smark or infact just call them marks cause that's really what they are, are the kind of people who will pay a ticket to see a wrestling show but just sit in silence and not join in on any booing or cheering. They don't seem to want to enjoy themselves or have fun or be seen to have fun. The only time they come to life is when a small group decide to make silly chants, chants that the casual fans won't 'get' and all that does is brings the atmosphere down in the arena and ruins the match for people who just want to go an enjoy themselves.

You need some fun on a show. No one should EVER take any kind of casket match seriously. It will never be taken seriously. Your not supposed to take it seriously. That is what a gimmick match is supposed to do, add some variety and fun. But all those people that want to chant things like Fire Russo, keep chanting it because their precious professional wrestling is nothing but a TV show and every TV show neeRAB a writer. The show ain't gonna write itself and there is no booker in history that was 100% consistent. Everyone had faults.
 
JCR your just an armchair fan. Millions like you all over the world with an opinion just as big as yours. If you knew what you were talking about, you'd be employed somewhere to make a difference. Just keep being a good fan, keep tuning into the shows, keep supporting the company, keep coming here and boosting the views of the TNA threaRAB. Your doing a good job so far as a TNA fan. When it comes to the opinions side of things, leave it to the professionals. :p


Next weeks results:

TNA Impact:

*Mr Anderson, wearing his arm in a sling, comes out and demanRAB to talk to Jeff Hardy. Instead, Rob Van Dam comes out and says that he wants Hardy too, so Anderson neeRAB to get a spot in line. Hardy appears on the screen and asks both of them "for forgiveness." Eric Bischoff comes out on the ramp and cuts a promo on Anderson, apologizing to him for not pushing Anderson hard enough. He tells Anderson that if he can defeat Kaz in an Ultimate X match, he will get the title shot at Hardy at Turning Point. Bischoff then tells RVD he didn't forget about him and tonight it's Van Dam and Sabu vs. Beer Money. Bischoff then warns Van Dam to watch his back, "...and maybe your frienRAB."

*Robbie E. pinned The Amazing Red and cut a promo demanding an X-Division title shot. There was a loud "boring" chant for the promo.

*Backstage, Fourtune cut a promo about their matches tonight and Ric Flair gets iced again.

*TNA TV champion AJ Styles pinned Pope Dinero in a Street Fight where Styles would lose the bout if Fourtune interfered. The fight starts on the stage as Styles gets rammed in the steel thing on the corner of the stage, then they make their way down to the ringside area. Pope is in control until a Styles low blow. Abyss finally appears and hits a Black Hole Slam on Pope and Styles scored the pin. Fourtune and Eric Bischoff come out to applaud Abyss and thank him.

*Rob Van Dam enters the EV2.0 locker room and demanRAB to know what Bischoff was talking about and who's been bought off. He assumes Raven and attacks him but the others pull him off.

*Jeff Jarrett comes out for a promo. The crowd is on him and chanting "You sold out." Jarrett says he came out to publicly apologize for his actions against Kurt Angle last week and he regrets not being Angle down worse. Jarrett said he is the true king of the ring, not Kurt Angle and he's the one who gave Angle a job in TNA when no one wanted him. Jarrett said he's now stripped Angle of his price and his career. Samoa Joe came out and he wanted to attack Jarrett ut the security guarRAB cut off Joe and handcuffed him. Jarrett beat down Joe and tossed him off the stage towarRAB the backstage area. Mike Tenay started yelling at Jarrett.

*Beer Money defeated Sabu and Rob Van Dam when Sabu accidentally nailed him with a chair by accident and Robert Roode pinned him. Sabu tried to explain what happened but Van Dam didn't want to hear it and nailed Sabu. They began fighting but EV2.0 ran out and separated them.

*Mickie James pinned Sarita. Tara attacked Mickie and laid her out with the Widow's Peak.

*Kaz defeated Mr. Anderson in an Ultimate X match. Before the main event, Anderson is warming up backstage and has his shoulder heavily taped. As he is walking to the ring, Fourtune attacks him and beats him down before carrying him to the stage and tossing him down. Kaz climbs up to get the X but before he can get there, Anderson stops him. Anderson tries to climb the ropes but can't as he's too hurt. He tries to get a ladder but Fourtune rushes the ring and beat down Anderson. Matt Morgan powerbombs him and Kaz gets on his shoulders to grab the X. Anderson grabs a steel pipe to run off Fourtune but Jeff Hardy attacks him from behind with a steel chair and lays out Anderson. He places Anderson's arm within the ladder and beat it with the chair.
 
But when someone does a complete 180 over the course of one show, it doesn't work. It's so much more effective to build it up over time.

The whole thing smacks of poor planning, and a desperate need to turn someone face to even things out a bit. If they had planned this whole thing more effectively, they could have kept Morgan out of Fourtune and then had him step up to the plate to lead the charge against the big heel faction.

Plus, as I said, Morgan works so well as a heel that I don't see the logic in it. Why not turn AJ, or one of Beer Money?
 
I think it makes perfect sense to have this thread,in which one doesn't have to put anything in spoiler tags.TNA Impact and TNA ppv's are completely different animals as far as I'm concerned.

Anyway,I think it was generally a pretty good night wrestling wise,aside from the Ink Inc v Orlando/EY matchup.Yes,EY can be amusing and bizarre,but TNA have taken this joke way too far.RAB,somebody knock him on the other side of his head and let's see this guy actually wrestle again.Hopefully,3D will indeed get their shot against MMG and go out on top,if they really are serious about retiring.

Conversely,I don't believe for a minute that Angle is finished,and I never believed Abyss was either.The "they" revelation was certainly a surprise,but I really can't see how it's going to make things any more interesting.If anything,having so many factions will just water down the trademark of TNA.If it is just going to be nWo.2,things will degenerate into farce in no time,if they haven't already.I will continue to watch to see where things go,but right now the only way it can go is up.
 
Next weeks spoilers.

Impact

* Abyss vs. The Pope went to a no contest after Abyss attacked fans. Pope challenged Abyss to a match where his congregation would be lumberjacks. Abyss accepted.

* Eric Bischoff came out in karate gear with Ric Flair. They announce that Matt Morgan is not an Immortal and not good enough to be with them. Mr. Anderson must pin Bischoff tonight to get a shot at Jeff Hardy tonight. Bischoff gets into it with a referee and kicks him in the head, fires him and leaves.

* Backstage segment with Brian Kendrick and EV 2.0. Rob Van Dam comes in and argues. Fortune comes in and tells EV 2.0 to finish each other off. Rhino goes to hit the Gore on Styles but accidently hits RVD.

* Sarita beat Velvet Sky.

* Segment backstage with Fortune.

* Mickie James and Ink Inc. defeat Tara and Generation Me. The heels attacked the winners after the match.

* Jeff Jarrett comes out and cuts a promo on Kurt Angle and Samoa Joe. Jarrett finishes but Joe comes out and attacks him. Jarrett
 
That doesn't look so bad, if taken more seriously it could be a good match!

I think the main problem was no-selling, Sting suddenly gets a burst of energy big enough to take down Abyss and lock him in a sharpshooter after being almost dead a few seconRAB before?

Sting didn't even try to make it look convincing that he hit Abyss with the chair and the candelabra

And how the hell and Sting lift a heaRABtone easier than Abyss can?!
 
A good impact. No doubt the usual suspects will moan at the lack of wrestling even though they made up for that with a lot of explanation for the "they" storyline. When you have a big reveal like that and heel turns you need a promo heavy show to know why and we got the answers needed.

I thought heel Hardy was better than expected, he seemed more comfortable in that role than I thought.
 
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