TN governor vetoes "guns-in-bars" bill again

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Well... maybe when you get into power you can delegate that authority to lower tiers of government.
 
"The difference between you and the other person though is just how easy, and how potentially lethal that gun makes committing violence itself."


This hurts my head^^ I'm trying to translate.......the difference between me and another is the cause of gun violence? amirite? I'm trying to reduce this statement to nouns/verbs and such thingy's for the meaning..godammit I thought I had mastered the English language sumwut
 
Assuming your life blood is the right to bear arms. The rest of the world does not hold that to be sacred, therefore that analogy is a bit extreme.

Yet there hasn't been a significant spike in robberies, murders, gun battles, etc.




Okay, maybe the analogy was a bit extreme.
 
Besides the points already made addressing your Hell's Angels scenario, most people would still frequent the gun free bars. You don't go to a bar primarily because they allow you to have guns. You go because you are meeting friends, a date for drinks, to dance, the ambiance of a certain bar, to see a band, whatever. You will still do this with the gun in your car and only a real stick in the mud child wouldn't want to enjoy these things because they can't have a gun on their hip. This is the minority.

So the bar owner, whose primary cares are cash inflow and as few hassles as possible, will do fine to ban them from his bar, if it's a bar that people would want to go to anyway.
 
Yeah! Maybe if he had a gun in there he wouldn't need his friends to back him up. He could just shoot the guy who take a swing at him. Good game!
 
Don't carry the analogy too far. There are simpler, less intrusive, and less drastic means to combat crime than disarming the entire law abiding population (and of course you're NOT disarming the criminals - who are ostensibly the target of the legislation - because criminals don't obey laws).

Just like there are simpler, less intrusive, and less drastic means to stop a nosebleed than cutting off blood flow to the head.


Yet robberies and shootings still happen. So you didn't stop "crazed gunmen" from being able to carry out mass shootings.


Not only extreme, but completely inapt. Buying volcano insurance when you don't live near a volcano is like arguing that my life is in danger if I can't carry a gun in a bar, when I don't go to bars.
 
theres honestly no point in arguing this. this topic is obviously very important and personal to you, so there is absolutely nothing I can say, regardless of how well worded and thoughtful i put it, that can change your mind.
 
I just believe that if someone possesses a power tool such as a gun, there is potentially more of an inclination to escalate a situation with less provocation due to the power in one's mind garnered from wielding such a tool.
 
Good thing most thiefs aren't "any kind of good".


No, but the malls have the support of multiple retailers (many being corporations) where the fee for the proper sign won't even make a dent into their overhead. This isn't the case for small, family-owned "restaurants" though which is where my concerns lie. Even if the state is covering the fee for the signs, that's a lot of money to spend (for something that majority of the citizenry doesn't want or will use) when TN is facing a multi-million dollar deficit. I love the fact that the politicians are giving the citizens the right to utilize their second amendment rights, but I don't like that they are spending so much time on it when the citizens don't care and we're facing a budget crisis. Then again, this is the first time in decades that the Republicans have held a majority in both houses of the legislature so it's really now or never.


And what if he kills someone in the process? See the Hooter's shooting on Kingston Pike in Knoxville, TN.
 
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