TMNT "Mayhem From Mutant Island" Talkback (Spoilers)

Man, these episodes are short. I guess they made them that way so they could tide fans over until the DTV in a few months. It's clear by the music cues and dramatic shots that these were meant to be shorts and isn't merely a cut-up TV episode.
 
The shorts themselves are nothing special but its nice to have a little bit extra of animation, especially given this particular TMNT universe is gone forever.

Makes me wish that if there ever is a third TMNT cartoon in the future, they sorta make it as a sequel to the 2k3 series rather than doing another reboot.
 
Sequel or reboot, I really wouldn't care as long as it was good. I also think that the TMNT franchise should take a break for 2-5 years before someone starts another one up again. It seems pretty obvious to me that the creative well was beginning to run dry by the time of Fast Forward, TMNT should take a break.
 
Yes, but FF was a mandate from the toy company.

There are still plenty of comics that were never adapted into episodes, so even if the writers themselves have nothing new, they could always take the stories from the comics.

It does seem though the TMNT franchise will be taking a 5 year or so break. I wonder if 4kids will still be in business 5 years from now. If not, looks like TMNT will be partnered with a different animation company.
 
Which wouldn't concern me as long as the new series was enjoyable. I liked the 4Kids version of TMNT, but they're not the only company who should be allowed to tackle the franchise. I enjoyed the 2007 CGI movie, which wasn't canon to the 4Kids series at all.
 
Yeah, but it'll be yet another reboot. How many times do we need to see the Turtles meet April for the first time and fight Shredder?

If there is another cartoon, it'd also be canceled very quickly and only get 13 ep seasons.
 
As many times as people are curious to see it. And with people being born every day, there will be other generations who haven't seen the origins yet.

One of these days you'll have to share with us your ability to see into the future. :sweat:

But seriously, muh man, fan loyalty is one thing, but you can't stay rooted in a single adaptation for the rest of your life. It's like a Marvel fan saying "No one did the X-Men the way that FOX and Graz Entertainment did the X-Men, so no one else should even try." Just because you don't want to see a different adaptation of TMNT, you shouldn't assume the same for the rest of the planet. Obviously, you were able to move on from the 1987 syndicated TMNT, otherwise you would never have bothered with the 2K3 series.
 
They can watch the DVDs of the old series. Between the original TMNT cartoon and the 4kids TMNT cartoon, there are now almost 400 episodes of animated TMNT, in addition to 4 theatrical movies.

They have plenty to catch up on.



I have no problem with moving on, its sitting through constant reboots re-treading the same story that gets me.

How many times must we see Batman meet Joker for the first time? Or the Justice League forming? Or the TMNT defeating Shredder?

Let's just accept the fact that those things happened, dozens of times already, and give us NEW stories instead of re-treading old ground.

And yea, shows are being canceled too quickly nowadays. It won't last beyond 52 eps.
 
So no other studio or production company should ever make a reboot of a popular franchise ever again until the end of time just because 1 fan is tired of looking at them. Flawless logic.

Here's a thought: if you don't want to see another reboot, you could maybe, I don't know, not watch the reboot and let those viewers who might actually be interested in trying something new enjoy it without constantly complaining about it.

Why should the 4Kids version of TMNT keep making new seasons ad infinitum just because you don't want to see it end? Why should there never be another reboot of a series just because you don't want to see anymore? No one is forcing you to watch anything that you don't want to see. If you're tired of the reboots, don't watch them. Some people might actually want to see a new take on the Turtles' origin. Where is it carved in stone that the syndicated 1987 series, the CBS Saturday monring series and the 4Kids 2003 series should be the only versions of TMNT allowed to be made? This argument is nothing more than fanboy ranting and is just plain ridiculous. Why should all new forms of creativity come to a screeching halt just because of 1 fan's inability to let go of the past?
 
Yet, a lot of these reboots don't do as well as the originals, in terms of popularity or ratings.

Maybe if there was a 15-20 year gap, I agree then its time to do a reboot. But after only 4 or 5 years?

It's not like the old days when once a show is canceled you could never watch it again, now that we have DVDs a good chunk of older shows are being enjoyed by people who weren't even born at the time they were originally airing.

I hope for another TMNT cartoon in the future, but I'd rather it be a sequel to the 4kids series rather than a reboot at square one.
 
That doesn't mean that a studio can't or shouldn't be allowed to do one if they so choose. It's not your time, money or effort going into them, so why do you care?



So if someone has an idea for a new TMNT series in say, a year or 2 years from now, which isn't a continuation of the 4Kids version or even affiliated with 4Kids in any way, then even if Peter Laird approves of it, they should just put it on hold for another 15 years just because CyberCubed can't bear the thought of another reboot and refuses let go of the 2K3 version? Again, your logic is flawless.



You lost me at "It's not like the old days", since it basically translates to "I can't let go of the past".



See above. A new TMNT series couldn't, wouldn't and shouldn't affect you in any way; just don't watch it if it's not to your liking. I'm really not trying to sound like a jerk, but it's laughable how you expect everything on TV to fall into your narrow-minded, xenophobic way of thinking. Lots of people wouldn't mind or even care whether a new TMNT show was connected to the 4Kids version or not. If it's good and it entertains me, I for one wouldn't care one iota if it were a sequel to the 2K3 cartoon or not. I'd only care if it wasn't good. 4Kids shouldn't have to keep producing TMNT nonstop and no one else be permitted to pick up the mantle just because you're unable to let the 2K3 version go.
 
Um, "the past?" TMNT 2k3 just ended 2 months ago. In fact its technically not over until the DTV comes out in August. I just don't see the point of doing a reboot when the current TMNT just ended and still has a DTV coming.



If it's a good new idea, then sure they can go for it. If its another re-boot rehashing the same Shredder war again, then why not just continue from what has already been done? 4kids still holds the license for the animation, so we have to see if they drop it in the first place.



It effects me because I am concerned as to how the TMNT property is handled. I don't want to see any more mistakes like the Saban "Next Mutation" series which had Venus, the female Turtle. And I have this fear that the next TMNT cartoon is going to be something like The Batman, where everything is simplified and the show lasts only 52-65 eps.



The 4kids version started off as the TMNT comics in animated form, albeit somewhat toned down for Saturday mornings. What can a third TMNT cartoon do differently?
 
Once again, no one is forcing you to watch anything. Just because someone makes another reboot, that doesn't mean that you have to watch it. You can change the channel anytime that you want.

You just don't want the 2K3 TMNT series to come to an end, just like you don't want the DCAU to ever end, but it has, and like it or not, you have to accept it. It's always the same thing; you find 1 thing to glom on to, and then you convince yourself that this 1 thing is the one and only difinitive take on said franchise, and you absolutely refuse to accept anything other than that 1 take on it. I truly feel for fans like you, who can't accept anything that's even slightly different than what they're used to. I didn't like every take on Superman that I've ever seen, but I'm at least open minded enough to experience a different take on the franchise before I decide that it's bad just because it's not the one version that I really liked.
 
As I have said before, there are people, including myself, who liked watching The Batman. Besides, a show lasting for 52-65 is a pretty good run. That's nothing to ignore considering most shows are lucky if they get that far in these days.

As both Blackstar and Silverstar have mentioned quite well here, I don't think you have to watch a reboot if you don't want to. I can understand your feelings, but I don't agree with having only one definitive series for TMNT. A reboot is chance to get some money out of the franchise, obviously, but it is also a chance for other people to have their own interpretations of the characters. There is no universal understanding of superhero characters, including those from TMNT, since the comics themselves are often rebooted. If the idea of a possible reboot bothers you so much, then I do think it would be better overall for you to just be content with the series you're already happy with.

For the really small episodes, they're nice and all, but I do wish that the chapters weren't so short. It feels really odd when most of them end with the turtles not doing that much outside of getting new weapons or having a really short fight scene. I know the general point was to make them this short, but it doesn't feel like they've done that much to me for some reason.
 
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