Thoughts on Spider-Man 3 ***SPOILERS***
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I downloaded it after reading nothing but horrible reviews. I didn't feel like wasting 11 dollars on crap. Boy, am I glad. What a terrible, terrible movie. I felt embarrassed for the writers. This movie had so much potential but apparently they placed all their focus on special effects rather than on a good plot.
My god, it was so overly cheesy. That dialogue could challenge Star Wars in the shitty category. I won't even get into how unbelievable Harry's storyline was.
My god, it was so overly cheesy. That dialogue could challenge Star Wars in the shitty category. I won't even get into how unbelievable Harry's storyline was.
McIntyre2K7
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what a dreaful film.
AWFUL effects - they truly were bad.
too much of people being thrown through walls and windows - how come harry didnt die after his first fight with spierman?? he bashed his head and fell 50ft
why did the butler wait until the last minute to say 'oh yeah by the way spierman didnt kill your father, his wounRAB were from his own knife' (not that that actually does prove spierman didnt kill him..)
embarrassing scene after scene of peter strutting down the street (did venom make him put eyeliner on too?)
sandman totally wasted, he was hardly in it
MJ has become a whiney unsympathetic bitch
more of aunt may going on and on about ben...
it was terrible and a real insult to anyone paying to watch it considering it cost so much money to make
AWFUL effects - they truly were bad.
too much of people being thrown through walls and windows - how come harry didnt die after his first fight with spierman?? he bashed his head and fell 50ft
why did the butler wait until the last minute to say 'oh yeah by the way spierman didnt kill your father, his wounRAB were from his own knife' (not that that actually does prove spierman didnt kill him..)
embarrassing scene after scene of peter strutting down the street (did venom make him put eyeliner on too?)
sandman totally wasted, he was hardly in it
MJ has become a whiney unsympathetic bitch
more of aunt may going on and on about ben...
it was terrible and a real insult to anyone paying to watch it considering it cost so much money to make
hitbrownie
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terrible movie, went on for too long and why did they cast topher grace. he cant act at all
I already want to see it again and I only saw it last night! Think I can wait for the DVD though, they're out very quickly these days!
Re-watched number 2 today and although it's still my favourite of the three, the action seemed so 'small' compared to number 3.
I thought the fights in Spidey 3 were superb and well thought out, and the eye candy just kept coming. The film didn't drag for me personally, and it didn't feel any longer than 2 hours, when in fact it was. I haven't got 'into' a film so much in ages...I felt like cheering when Harry comes to save Spidey and they team up! It was great to see them frienRAB again after all that's happened since Norman's death. I also started Hating that Gwen woman (despite how hot she is) for nearly breaking Peter and MJ up. I was disappointed how the film just ended quietly with them hugging...the previous two have gone out with a bang with Spidey swinging around to Danny Elfman's wonderful music. And before I forget, the opening credits were wonderful, almost felt like a Bond film!
Overall, 9/10 - I absolutely loved it and the Spidey series is now nearly up there with Star Wars and LOTR for me!
Re-watched number 2 today and although it's still my favourite of the three, the action seemed so 'small' compared to number 3.
I thought the fights in Spidey 3 were superb and well thought out, and the eye candy just kept coming. The film didn't drag for me personally, and it didn't feel any longer than 2 hours, when in fact it was. I haven't got 'into' a film so much in ages...I felt like cheering when Harry comes to save Spidey and they team up! It was great to see them frienRAB again after all that's happened since Norman's death. I also started Hating that Gwen woman (despite how hot she is) for nearly breaking Peter and MJ up. I was disappointed how the film just ended quietly with them hugging...the previous two have gone out with a bang with Spidey swinging around to Danny Elfman's wonderful music. And before I forget, the opening credits were wonderful, almost felt like a Bond film!
Overall, 9/10 - I absolutely loved it and the Spidey series is now nearly up there with Star Wars and LOTR for me!
Was going to watch it with expected scepticism, but found the film better than I anticipated. Sure, there was cheesy moments, the usual sucking up to US patriotism, the moralising of oh-so-perfect Aunt May, the constant bashing into buildings (good at first, but does get a bit tiring after the hundredth time), as well as other stuff, but it had some good moments. The CGI was fine, in my opinion, some of it top-notch. OK, some of the fight scenes did get a bit confusing in parts, but some scenes really stood out, like the birth of the Sandman. Thought the dancing was meant to be "cheesy", in which you see his intended targets turn away in repulsion, despite his efforts. The "comedy" was so-so. However, for me, the film did keep me interested, only occasionally feeling long drawn out, but soon got back into the rhythm of things. I'd give it 6/10 and think it's as good, if not better, than the first one (second one was dire).
Oh, and if you really didn't want to be distracted by the audience, you should have turned up today with me in the cinema (2pm showing). Four of us there, including my wife and I. Bliss.
Oh, and if you really didn't want to be distracted by the audience, you should have turned up today with me in the cinema (2pm showing). Four of us there, including my wife and I. Bliss.
sosurprized1
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just got back from seeing it its my fav spidey movie i loved it so much yea the dance scenes were embrassing but it didt bother me it only last bout 3mins altogether.
loved the effects,comedy, fight scenes were brill, the romacnce scenes were very well done specially the bridge scene
li liked the fact dat der was so much goin on. after readin many mixed reviews i was expecting to think ehhh its gona be dissapointing
NOT AT ALL
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the harry story was also very good. i loved the whole MOVIE YA GET D JEST haha
the only minus i hav is VENOM he shuld hav been a main villian for dis one or 4
Q-is der anyway venom can come bak like is it entirely impossible or is he history because he looked so cool on screen wish he,d be bak for the next one if der is one
loved the effects,comedy, fight scenes were brill, the romacnce scenes were very well done specially the bridge scene
li liked the fact dat der was so much goin on. after readin many mixed reviews i was expecting to think ehhh its gona be dissapointing
NOT AT ALL .the harry story was also very good. i loved the whole MOVIE YA GET D JEST haha
the only minus i hav is VENOM he shuld hav been a main villian for dis one or 4
Q-is der anyway venom can come bak like is it entirely impossible or is he history because he looked so cool on screen wish he,d be bak for the next one if der is one
TheOneAndOnly
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also can sumone explain carnage again wats he about how he get created or wateva i forget
michaelempeigne
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Fair enough, I'll unspoiler my post then to make it easier to follow!
EDIT - Whoops I can't, it's too late!
Paddy
EDIT - Whoops I can't, it's too late!
Paddy
Ameishell B
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I agree, I liked it alot but it dragged on too much
This was SUCH a disappointment - unbelievably bad.
I was expecting something really special. I liked the first 2 films - especially the 2nd one - but number 3 was not just a disappointing sequel, it was just a bad film.
It was painfully slow and tedious. It's exploration of the "dark side" was laughably superficial, the cgi effects were second rate, all the fights were the same, the story was lame, the acting was bad, the message was muddled, there was a lot of wasted time with scenes that didn't further the story - it would have benefited from some serious editing...
The cinema was packed and I got the impression that lots of people, especially the young laRAB, were finding it boring because they became increasingly distracted and started shouting to each other across the audidorium - something that I would normally find annoying but in this case it was a welcome relief from the tediousness of the film.
Sorry to fans of the film, but I was so disappointed!
I was expecting something really special. I liked the first 2 films - especially the 2nd one - but number 3 was not just a disappointing sequel, it was just a bad film.
It was painfully slow and tedious. It's exploration of the "dark side" was laughably superficial, the cgi effects were second rate, all the fights were the same, the story was lame, the acting was bad, the message was muddled, there was a lot of wasted time with scenes that didn't further the story - it would have benefited from some serious editing...
The cinema was packed and I got the impression that lots of people, especially the young laRAB, were finding it boring because they became increasingly distracted and started shouting to each other across the audidorium - something that I would normally find annoying but in this case it was a welcome relief from the tediousness of the film.
Sorry to fans of the film, but I was so disappointed!
matotek184
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Carnage is the result of a piece of the Venom symbiote got into the blooRABtream of, and bonding with, serial killer Cletus Kasady.
I'm afraid to say I really couldn't make out what you were trying to say in your previous post, biggebruv. Could you please try to use standard UK spelling and grammar where possible? Cheers.
I'm afraid to say I really couldn't make out what you were trying to say in your previous post, biggebruv. Could you please try to use standard UK spelling and grammar where possible? Cheers.
dudemanman
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can't say i enjoyed this movie at all only wanted to see it for Topher Grace, the ending was lame what was that about is there gonna be a 4th then? Sandman was quite impressive i thought but Venom was only on towarRAB the end should have had more of him.
and was that really Kirsten singing?
and was that really Kirsten singing?
Just got around to seeing this today.
good Points:
Venom looked great
Sandmans creation was really well done.
Black Suited Spidey
Bruce Campbell as the french waiter. 'Mr Pecker'
Bad points:
Venom - One of Spidermans' most iconic enemies and he gets less than 20min screen time
Sandman - Dull character and the guy playing him had no carisma.
The fact the symbiote suit turned peter into a eye liner wearing, floppy fringed Emo type.
The way they tried to shoehorn sandman into Ben Parkers death story.
good Points:
Venom looked great
Sandmans creation was really well done.
Black Suited Spidey
Bruce Campbell as the french waiter. 'Mr Pecker'
Bad points:
Venom - One of Spidermans' most iconic enemies and he gets less than 20min screen time
Sandman - Dull character and the guy playing him had no carisma.
The fact the symbiote suit turned peter into a eye liner wearing, floppy fringed Emo type.
The way they tried to shoehorn sandman into Ben Parkers death story.
baseballfan35
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Ah, but in Spider-man 1 when they see the thief fall and Peter in the building one of them says 'I told you there were two'.
Sorry this is late, but I've been without Internet for a few months…
My Spider-man 3 review
Take the best parts of two great films, mix them together, and what you end up with is something far inferior to either of the original films. This is the most obvious problem with Spider-man 3.
Don't get me wrong, it is a truly excellent film. That is, until the bell tower scene, where all the delicious ingredients of the recipe are blended together and microwaved into one sickly, over-ambitious mush of an ending which is inferior to all its original ingredients.
The biggest casualty of squishing multiple villains into one movie is that Venom has far too little time. Venom is a huge favourite among fans yet he seems to appear about 15 minutes before the film enRAB, then it's all over. It's all so rushed. The Symbiont should definitely have had its own movie and not had to share with anyone else. But Sam Raimi doesn't like the newer Spider-man villains, apparently, and it's his movie, so the fans can shove it.
The other major problem with the movie is that there is almost no scientific explanation of anything. Indeed, no real explanation of anything of any kind. We are left to guess what has happened regarding the black Spiderman costume/Venom etc. Yes, we could probably figure it out for ourselves, but Spider-man is supposed to be the kind of film where you are told what is happening. Peter is well-known for talking to himself as he swings through the city. That's how stories are driven forwarRAB.
Another trouble the movie has is its abundance of young men. We have Peter… then Harry… then Eddie… then, I suppose, evil Peter, who is quite a different character. (Oh, and of course evil Eddie.) I would have thought one angst-ridden young man of Peter's age is enough to carry an entire movie.
Here are some character-specific complaints I have…
PETER
• Throughout the film, Aunt May seems distrustful and suspicious of what Peter says about Spiderman. Almost as if she knows his secret. Then she never reappears at the end of the film. The whole situation seems really unresolved. Peter never tells her that Spiderman didn't kill the Sandman, or that his uncle's death was actually an accident. No communication. No resolution. (Cramming 2 films into one probably had something to do with it.)
HARRY
• So… the extent of Harry's plot to destroy Peter's life is just to get his girlfriend to leave him? Frankly, that plot sucks.
• So Harry wants to get MJ to break up with Peter… does he really have to break into her house and terrorise her to accomplish this? Why not just ask her out? They were getting quite close in the scene immediately before. (Which, itself, was a bit of editing I thought was very badly paced.)
• Why does MJ go along with Harry willingly, instead of telling Peter that she has been threatened by Harry? (She knows he could kick Harry's ass, after all.)
• Why oh why did Eddie's butler leave it so long to speak up about his dad's death? Just totally incredible!
• In the scene with the goblin bomb, Harry is apparently killed. When we next see him, he's alive and well! The fact he didn't die should be a shock (it certainly was to me). Yet it's not presented this way at all. Peter doesn't seem surprised at all. The music doesn't indicate a shock.
• Peter never apologises to Harry for nearly killing him. Not even at his deathbed.
EDDIE/VENOM
• Eddie/Venom knows Peter's secret, and acquires his powers. This is not explained how or why. Sure, some things you could probably figure out if you didn't know; but I doubt many people would guess that whoever wears the suit inherits the previous wearer's memories and powers!
• Venom is not a typical villain in that he doesn't go around killing people at random — he only wants to kill Peter. This fact is neither pointed out nor explained in the movie.
• Venom needing to team up with Sandman seems a bit pathetic. It weakens both their characters.
• Eddie faked the photo of the black Spiderman doing something bad… at the exact same time that Spiderman started wearing the black suit and became more aggressive. I would say this was phenomenally poor storytelling. It muddles and confuses two independent issues. Eddie has to fake photos of Spidey being bad… but Spidey really is bad… so it really wasn't much of a deception… and it really wasn't necessary.
• Eddie's religious "faith" is incredible. He is (apparently) a Christian yet asks God to kill someone. No Christian would ever believe that God would murder someone on request!
• In the film, Venom says "I am Venom". But the thing about Venom is that it always refers to itself as "we". (Thus when Carnage later identifies himself as "I" it is a shock.)
THE SYMBIONT
• Why was the symbiont attracted to Peter? Why did the meteorite land near Peter? Was it pure coincidence?
• Why is Peter not at all curious about the origin of the symbiont? He doesn't know it's an alien that came from a meteorite. So what does he suppose the thing is? We never know because Peter seems very reserved about telling us what he thinks or feels. Oh well… he's only the central character.
• So… a goblin bomb in close proximity completely destroys the symbiont, yet it only scars a human. Riiight.
• How did Peter know to go to the bell tower to get the suit off? Lucky guess? (Again, poor storytelling. He had no obvious motivation to go up there.)
• If I were going to try and rip the suit off, I probably wouldn't put the mask on moments earlier. I'd probably… say… leave it off to start with?
• How and why did the symbiont 'infest' the spiderman costume and change its colour without changing anything else about it? What is the explanation behind this? Oh yeah… cos Sam Raimi says so.
THE SANDMAN
• The story with the Sandman's family was never resolved. His child is apparently still living with his bitter and spiteful ex and does not know the truth about him. Nor is he enjoying a healthy relationship with his kid. Some happy ending!
• Exactly what happened to him was not explained. There was no real script to explain what happened other than he got involved in some kind of experiment. Again, we are left guessing where one quick line of dialogue could have put our curiosity at ease.
• The Sandman's character was quite confusing. By the end of the movie, he was portrayed as a misunderstood loner who didn't want to hurt anyone. But not too long before that, he went to great lengths to launch an unprovoked attack on Spiderman.
In summary, Spider-man 3 is either two great films or one not-so-great one.
My Spider-man 3 review
Take the best parts of two great films, mix them together, and what you end up with is something far inferior to either of the original films. This is the most obvious problem with Spider-man 3.
Don't get me wrong, it is a truly excellent film. That is, until the bell tower scene, where all the delicious ingredients of the recipe are blended together and microwaved into one sickly, over-ambitious mush of an ending which is inferior to all its original ingredients.
The biggest casualty of squishing multiple villains into one movie is that Venom has far too little time. Venom is a huge favourite among fans yet he seems to appear about 15 minutes before the film enRAB, then it's all over. It's all so rushed. The Symbiont should definitely have had its own movie and not had to share with anyone else. But Sam Raimi doesn't like the newer Spider-man villains, apparently, and it's his movie, so the fans can shove it.
The other major problem with the movie is that there is almost no scientific explanation of anything. Indeed, no real explanation of anything of any kind. We are left to guess what has happened regarding the black Spiderman costume/Venom etc. Yes, we could probably figure it out for ourselves, but Spider-man is supposed to be the kind of film where you are told what is happening. Peter is well-known for talking to himself as he swings through the city. That's how stories are driven forwarRAB.
Another trouble the movie has is its abundance of young men. We have Peter… then Harry… then Eddie… then, I suppose, evil Peter, who is quite a different character. (Oh, and of course evil Eddie.) I would have thought one angst-ridden young man of Peter's age is enough to carry an entire movie.
Here are some character-specific complaints I have…
PETER
• Throughout the film, Aunt May seems distrustful and suspicious of what Peter says about Spiderman. Almost as if she knows his secret. Then she never reappears at the end of the film. The whole situation seems really unresolved. Peter never tells her that Spiderman didn't kill the Sandman, or that his uncle's death was actually an accident. No communication. No resolution. (Cramming 2 films into one probably had something to do with it.)
HARRY
• So… the extent of Harry's plot to destroy Peter's life is just to get his girlfriend to leave him? Frankly, that plot sucks.
• So Harry wants to get MJ to break up with Peter… does he really have to break into her house and terrorise her to accomplish this? Why not just ask her out? They were getting quite close in the scene immediately before. (Which, itself, was a bit of editing I thought was very badly paced.)
• Why does MJ go along with Harry willingly, instead of telling Peter that she has been threatened by Harry? (She knows he could kick Harry's ass, after all.)
• Why oh why did Eddie's butler leave it so long to speak up about his dad's death? Just totally incredible!
• In the scene with the goblin bomb, Harry is apparently killed. When we next see him, he's alive and well! The fact he didn't die should be a shock (it certainly was to me). Yet it's not presented this way at all. Peter doesn't seem surprised at all. The music doesn't indicate a shock.
• Peter never apologises to Harry for nearly killing him. Not even at his deathbed.
EDDIE/VENOM
• Eddie/Venom knows Peter's secret, and acquires his powers. This is not explained how or why. Sure, some things you could probably figure out if you didn't know; but I doubt many people would guess that whoever wears the suit inherits the previous wearer's memories and powers!
• Venom is not a typical villain in that he doesn't go around killing people at random — he only wants to kill Peter. This fact is neither pointed out nor explained in the movie.
• Venom needing to team up with Sandman seems a bit pathetic. It weakens both their characters.
• Eddie faked the photo of the black Spiderman doing something bad… at the exact same time that Spiderman started wearing the black suit and became more aggressive. I would say this was phenomenally poor storytelling. It muddles and confuses two independent issues. Eddie has to fake photos of Spidey being bad… but Spidey really is bad… so it really wasn't much of a deception… and it really wasn't necessary.
• Eddie's religious "faith" is incredible. He is (apparently) a Christian yet asks God to kill someone. No Christian would ever believe that God would murder someone on request!
• In the film, Venom says "I am Venom". But the thing about Venom is that it always refers to itself as "we". (Thus when Carnage later identifies himself as "I" it is a shock.)
THE SYMBIONT
• Why was the symbiont attracted to Peter? Why did the meteorite land near Peter? Was it pure coincidence?
• Why is Peter not at all curious about the origin of the symbiont? He doesn't know it's an alien that came from a meteorite. So what does he suppose the thing is? We never know because Peter seems very reserved about telling us what he thinks or feels. Oh well… he's only the central character.
• So… a goblin bomb in close proximity completely destroys the symbiont, yet it only scars a human. Riiight.
• How did Peter know to go to the bell tower to get the suit off? Lucky guess? (Again, poor storytelling. He had no obvious motivation to go up there.)
• If I were going to try and rip the suit off, I probably wouldn't put the mask on moments earlier. I'd probably… say… leave it off to start with?
• How and why did the symbiont 'infest' the spiderman costume and change its colour without changing anything else about it? What is the explanation behind this? Oh yeah… cos Sam Raimi says so.
THE SANDMAN
• The story with the Sandman's family was never resolved. His child is apparently still living with his bitter and spiteful ex and does not know the truth about him. Nor is he enjoying a healthy relationship with his kid. Some happy ending!
• Exactly what happened to him was not explained. There was no real script to explain what happened other than he got involved in some kind of experiment. Again, we are left guessing where one quick line of dialogue could have put our curiosity at ease.
• The Sandman's character was quite confusing. By the end of the movie, he was portrayed as a misunderstood loner who didn't want to hurt anyone. But not too long before that, he went to great lengths to launch an unprovoked attack on Spiderman.
In summary, Spider-man 3 is either two great films or one not-so-great one.
Jupiter Mission:
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i was annoyed with venoms lack of his trademark long tongue