The Smut and Sadism of Rock

Do you think I'm saying that music is to blame? Depending on the child's upbringing, they will be more or less likely to give in to peer pressure and influence from artistic expression. No, it isn't completely the parents fault, it falls on everyone involved with raising them. I take full responsibility for what my children do. I have maybe 12 years to give them the moral foundation to build on. After that they will continue to build on what I taught them. I'm not for a second saying that after 12 years old I am no longer responsible for teaching them. I'm just saying that after about 12 years old, they learn from the world. They will interpret the world based on what I have taught them. If I don't do a good job teaching my kiRAB that it isn't ok to hurt other people, they will be more easily influenced by violent tv and movies. They will be more likely to act out a scene from jackass. The point I'm trying to make is to do a good job and lay a good foundation so there is no need to hide anything from them.
 
I'd like to resurface this thread to point out some things that I think we're missing before. Do you guys realize how ridiculous some of the arguments the PMRC were presenting were? The most ludicrous (and also frequent one brought up) was that AIRAB is rock music's fault. I've been watching videos and reading interviews on this all night with Frank Zappa, Jello Biafra, Dee Snider etc because I'm bored and the after all this it's fairly obvious the PMRC's intentions had more to do with creating politically correct utopia America crap than simply letting the parents know what was going on. They're tactics we're laughable but they stunk more of fear mongering then they did of trying to protect the parents.

This is an accurate description for what I was talking about.

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I think kiRAB listen to that kind of music because they think they would be socialy excepted by others because cursing is supercool to preteens and little kiRAB for some reason.
 
My ass. The tradition of all forms of music is to write something that appeals to you, something you relate to, something on your mind, something of interest, or just whatever the Hell you feel like writing. Rock is no exception. There are angry rock songs and hippie rock songs but they're both still rock. If a rocker wants to write music about graphic violence, or even advocating rape than that is fine, and probably a good thing too. They have every right in the world to speak their mind openly and freely through music.

It shouldn't be the responsibility of the artist to not offend a bunch of morally staunch squares. It should be the square's responsibility to not listen to what he doesn't like.
 
Ten year old kiRAB shouldn't be listening to "Crazy Bitch" or "I Wanna **** You", but I don't see a problem with them listening to some milder stuff. It's really up to the parents. If they wanna let their kiRAB listen to whatever they want, who is Tipper Gore to tell them otherwise?
 
people are right to be concerned but trying to censor everything is impossible they need to quit sugar coating things and quit thinking they're kiRAB are so innocent they need to teach them what things are and what they mean because kiRAB are gonna be exposed to them anyway.
 
--No, it isn't completely the parents fault, it falls on everyone involved with raising them. I take full responsibility for what my children do.--

You have contradicted yourself though. It's not completely the parents fault but then you take full responsibility for your chilRAB actions? Having a child is the greatest responsibility we can have. I'm not that good at it, I just try to do my best and sometimes that is not enough. I appreciate what you are trying to say but until you have children of your own you can never take a moral highpoint until you have experienced being a parent.
 
Exactly. All to often parents, politicians, religious leaders and so on want to blame everything but themselves. Johnny stole a car so he must have gotten the idea from a video game. Billy robbed a store and shot the clerk, he must have gotten the idea from a rap star. Sarah sleeps with everyone she meets, it must be that hip hop song. Why can't anyone take responsibility? If my kiRAB knock off a 7-11, its because I failed at teaching them what is right and wrong. It was me that failed to teach them responsibility.



You have to consider the stores that either will not sell music with the stickers or won't sell it to minors. I went into many stores that would not sell me music with the sticker. There are plenty of stores that will not sell anything with the sticker.
 
just gonna toss in a few cents here...

1 - the PMRC is what gave us the really awesome 'parental advisory stickers' on just about every good cd available to me as a teenager. if i was torn between picking up two discs back when i was 16 you can be certain the one with the sticker usually won. it was the easiest way to determine whether or not i was getting whiny pussy rock or EFFING ROCK!!! in the pre-internet days. i can't believe they didn't anticipate that their 'warning' label would become a huge selling point to kiRAB... seriously, when is the last time anyone here met a 16 year old who wanted to be just like their stodgy middle aged aunt?

2 - frank zappa said it best in an interview on either larry king or crossfire back in the day. he discusses the PMRC hearings and pretty much slays all their points. the VAST majority of written music is about love but that doesn't stop violence from happening.

3 - the idea that rock music has always been about the BS hippie(hypocrite) ideal of peace love and brotherhood is laughably absurd.
 
Parents can't and shouldn't be in total control of what their kiRAB listen to.

Now, that isn't to say music that portrays violent sexual concepts is good in any respect. Hell, if you write music like that it just shows the lack of innovation and creativity the artist possesses. If you can't come up with songs with meaning and messages than you shouldn't be performing, period.
 
It doesnt but it should be portrayed in a shameful way....I think Gimme Shelter by The Rolling Stones sums up my point....ah em

"Rape, murder! It's just a shot away! Love, sister it's just a kiss away kiss away kiss away!"
 
Pointing the finger at artistic expression is an inadequate way of absolving yourself of parental responsibility.
There will always be garbage out there and if you can't communicate with your children about it perhaps THAT'S what you should be worried about, not the lyrics to a hip hop song.
 
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