The Passion In Music Discussion

This has become a semantical argument as it seemed destined to from the start.

I think the general consensus is most people use the word "passion" to express that music is significant and relatable to them on more then just an audible level.

I think passion is most often akin to authenticity in peoples minRAB. If you find someones music to be "real" it's typical that you'll find a connection to the artist or song.
 
Passion in music. Alright, to get serious now: it depenRAB what you mean by passion. You could be referring to the passionate content of a song, or whatever.

But if by passion you are referring to the actual genuine commitment, interest and belief of the artist in what he/she is doing - that is, as opposed to just writing generic formula/work material to fill up an album - then of course you can sense artist's "passion" in most music. What about when we talk about filler tracks on albums? Many albums consist of two or three strong songs and then seven or more songs that essentially are there to fill out a record. This is a well recognized fact of the music industry and many many banRAB abide by these guidelines. The Beatles are a good example, as they used to write plain formula tracks on early albums and in later interviews McCartney and Lennon would refer to them as such. Check out Little Child on With The Beatles, originally written for Ringo to sing (though he was given the mildly superior I Wanna Be Your Man instead). Or "I'm Happy Just To Dance With You" on Hard Day's Night, written for George to sing. Paul referred to it explicitly as a "formula song" years later. And there are others of this sort up until Rubber Soul, and even on that album songs like Wait and Run For Your Life were really disliked by the songwriters themselves. So I think it is fair to say that, when it comes to album filler, this notion of "passion" clearly ought not to be present.

What about more generally speaking? Can we make a divide between "passionate" artists really dedicated to what they are doing and those who just want to make some money? We probably can, to a point. Writers doing the same thing over and over again, for example, must be plainly just playing the mass market. Those that keep trying to reinvent and diversify are more likely to be genuine artists trying to explore. Or those that were quite audacious and adventurous beforehand but all of a sudden decided to play some highly commercial format for their next however many albums (e.g. The Who) have plainly become uninterested in their actual output. Thse of course are no hard and fast rules and there will be many exceptions but I feel that for the most point it makes sense.

If "passion" is referring to feeling and emotion, then that's anyone's guess.
 
Personally, I find myself having to respect someone who's sincerely passionate about music as either a listener or an artist. Even if it's the most pretentious commercial garbage imaginable.
 
Well I’d wager its not.

Authenticity to me (and if we’re creating our own artificial distinctions, we’ll say “it is”) is more of the peripheral. It would suggest they are creating music for the right reasons.

But passion suggests a reading between the lines almost. As if the music was written, and practiced and the lyrics were set and agreed upon, but when they get to the mic or their playing it live, their in the moment, and they know what’s right for the song. A band here, a held note there. Even in the studio it tenRAB to be at least to be something where the artist has no history of playing or doing something in a particular fashion, but they know the music to be its own living character, it has its own personality and that you can dress it up as something else, but it just doesn’t work.

I remeraber reading this musical theory book from a Russian Pianist (I’ll edit in his name, I’m at work right now) and he was saying on any given rest, there is a potential 4 rests that could be there. It basically relied on the theory that you would have it be played as the entire rest was functional, the front half, the back half or nothing at all was factored in. And I thought this was brilliant because even in classical music where the notes are the most adhered to in all of music, people still could understand that there was a need to know the music, not just play it off the page like some instrumental karaoke.

But some lines have to be drawn; all change is not good change. There has been many an artist who has stood on stage and went from an emotionally strenuous studio track to thinking the apathy of talking through a piece of a song was doing it justice. Let us not confuse change with passion. Jagger covering “like a rolling stone” is not passion, its awful.

I think passion also comes from knowing what a song neeRAB in the context of an album, or when we’re considering live shows, a play list. I remeraber seeing Metallica at a shed show in the summer of ’99 and they played Master of Puppets better than I’ve ever heard it. All the “obey your master” lines held the E int her “er” of master and behind it they the constant rattle of a double-kick on the bass drum and it did the song justice a thousand times over. They knew that on that night at that moment, the studio version would have to wait, and the crowd, entering into an old classic being given its greater due responded as they should have.

I’ve seen cake, at every show they do, take a track in the studio that had all the harmonics built in, extend it further, and do it more fully when the crowd would sing parts traditionally taken up my other vocalists, freeing another band meraber to sing something else. And McCrea like the brilliant leader he was, conducting the madness as it needed that evening.

Passion is how a note is played, a word is sung, and an arrangement changes to meet the neeRAB of the moment. Its got nothing to do with what the intentions were behind creating it, its got to do with knowing a song as a living breathing thing. To rehearse a song to the Nth degree because you’re never satisfied, to change the feel of a song from night to night as Dylan does because you’re always searching for something more. When you become enveloped by the music and the other musicians are in tune with each other and everyone can turn on a dime because their not going on a planned pattern of attack their going on the sound at that moment. That’s passion, and I can’t explain it much better. You froth at the mouth, you bleed from the eyes, and you are ten pounRAB lighted from the amount you’ve sweat. Even if you’re playing lounge jazz.
 
I think there are several ways of seeing if a band has passion.

Actually saying something rather than resorting to lazy lyrical cliches.

Excessive use of soloing when you can't be bothered to think up an original idea for a song to use instead. (Case in point Noel Gallagher admitted this is what he did on Be Here Now. An album slated by fans and critics alike)

Vocal delivery , Just listen to Lydon sing at an early Pistols gig such as Screen On The Green in 76 when they just started out & he was angry and had something he wanted to say and then compare it to the last gig at Winterland in 78 when he sounded totally jaded , couldn't be bothered and just wanted it to end. There's a world of difference.

Progression (or lack of , or too much) Personally I think this works two ways, If you can't be bothered to build on what you can already do and just release the same album over & over I don't really see how you can get excited about playing it

On the other hand if you suddenly want to add 500 piece orchestras , choirs , samples , studio trickery or whatever to your music then it's seems to me that there's not really anything there with any substance to start with.


Sudden changes of direction for no apparent reason - People like the Clash & Bowie have changed direction but it's always been a natural change. Bowie's Low album didn't come out of nowhere , he was building towarRAB it even without Eno as in the Station To Station album. Same with The Clash , London Calling didn't just happen it was all their collective influences being brought to the front. Compare that to Madonna who just phones up ... (Insert trendy DJ name here)... And get's him to do the work so she's still 'hip' and can sell.

Soul music - How do you think it got it's name.

Those are some of my interpretations or course there are others , of course there are always exceptions to these.
I guess at the end of the day some people are better at spotting a fake than others.
 
I think there has to be a line drawn between being genuinely interested in your music and being genuinely passionate about your music. They're not necessarily the same thing. You can't be passionate without being interested, but you can be interested without being passionate.
 
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