The Official Nirvana/Kurt Cobain Thread

Just because they don't read the same books you do doesn't exactly make them stupid. It makes them differant from you. And next time you start a thread about some one dead, have some respect. Dear.
 
But his death immortalized him.

And no, I'm not being ignorant. I've heard countless people tell me how sad it was when he died, but can't name a single goddamn song other than Smells Like Teen Spirit, and none of it prevents them from exclaiming how influential Nirvana was. Not to mention that half these people were younger than me when Kurt died, and at five years old, I certainly couldn't appreciate his music.

I'm not saying this because I hate grunge. I grew up listening to alternative radio and the only band that might have possibly eclipsed Nirvana in play time was perhaps the Pumpkins. But from all those years, I can now discern what I feel to be good music from bad, and let me tell you, Nirvana is as mediocre as they come. The songwriting glorifies a lifestyle which I could never be a proponent of and is mired in pessimism and misanthropy.

Just humor me for a few moments and imagine Nirvana descended into mediocrity like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains did after their immediate success. Would he have such an dedicated following as those others did if he went the way of Layna Staley and Shannon Hoon, dying after their time on top was long passed. Not only do I suggest that it is Kurt's suicide that immortalized him, but I believe Kurt knew exactly what he was doing at the time. A Neil Young quote via his suicide note:

'It's better to burn out than fade away.'
 
I'm just talking about shifts in what dominates the mainstream. With punk it shifted from complicated and longwinded to short and fast, but in the 80's it started to reverse with hair metal growing in popularity. I think Nirvana, like punk before, caused the same sort of shift.

I think that was my basic point.
 
'Nirvana killed rock, they turned it into "depression"...which isn't what rock is about'

Nirvana killed the 'Hairband' rock that was shallow and pathetic. Nirvana didn't kill rock, they revived it. In the spirit of Led Zepplin, Black Sabbath, and Velvet Underground, they went against the grain and created something that was raw and refreshing.
 
i'm not saying that kurt was a dummy by any means.Signing a big record label does not make them a sell out. I know kurt or anyone in the band or there frienRAB they had before the band went big had any clue about how popular they would get. But he had to have known that they would have recieved some form of popuality through music video's and radio air-play. they didn't sell out and kurt was a good writer, but him knowing what he was getting into, no that makes no sense, cause clearly he did not or he wouldn't have went with such a big label after seeing what labels have done to other banRAB in the past, is he a dunmmy? no i think not.. did he do durab things? yes he did.. for what reason? god knows. dig him up and ask him...
 
Give me an example where I attacked KISS for not being technical.

EDIT: and before you go into the banRAB I said were better, I wasn't talking technical wise. I mentioned the Ramones, who most certainly weren't technical musicians.
 
^Yeah but there are arguments for both sides of this... Thats what this whole threaRAB been sayin really..

Ok...It looked like he killed himself because he was suicidal for a very large part of his life. Noone else was at the house at the time, Courtney was up somewhere else I cant remeraber now but it said in the book she was off doing something... Lookin for him probably seeing as this was jsut after he escaped from rehab.. And there was something about how he wedged himself in the greenhouse with a stool, but someone started up that that was a conspiracy so Im not really sure on that at the mo.

But then for your argument, yes he had three times the lethal dose of heroin in his blood, so how could he have managed to pick up a gun? And in the police reports, the gun was too long for his arms, so for him to aim it into his mouth would have been fairly impossible. And theres the whole thing about how most of the note looked like an end to his musical career, and the last part in a different handwriting was his suicide note. Oh yeah, and there were no fingerprints on the gun either.

SO in conclusion, noone knows how he died. Belive what you want, Im sure there are many more facts you can find out for both sides of the argument. But unless you were there at the time, then you can't say "Courtney did it" niether can you say "Yes, he did it himself."
 
Did they lead it, or were they promoted and marketed as the leaders without that really being something they wanted or particularly identified with?
 
There are a lot of unnecessary music terms(Emo is the worse for that) that doesn't make them invalid. Alternative and indie are the same thing I don't know which term was used first. I really don't care.
 
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