The Matrix Trilogy does it deserve more respect?

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I know a lot of people in the world thinks that the Matrix is the best film and the least said about the sequels the better. I have just rewatched the whole trilogy and i think i enjoyed the sequels more this time around than the original.
There are flaws in the sequels, i agree and the ending is pretty cheesy but i think it is a far better trilogy than most people think. Do you think in time the sequels will get as praised as the original does now? I hope they do as I do believe the sequels are as good if not better than the original.

I just wondered what your thoughts were?
 
I loved The Matrix. Saw it at the cinema three times, saw it on DVD several times...

I was really looking forward to the sequels...but when I first saw them in the cinema, I was extremely disappointed. I really, really disliked them...

Then in 2007 I got the whole trilogy on HD DVD & watched it over a couple of days... although the first is still IMO easily the best, I do now think that the second & third are actually quite good (well, apart from a few bits lol...), and that it all works very well as a trilogy.

I think seeing them again, without the hype, without the anticipation, helped me appreciate them more.
 
Matrix Reloaded is almost a perfect sequel.

It stumbles initially (the rave), but then seriously ups the action and oozes class and beautiful photography throughout.
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and then we hit the Architect and the audience is left with a nasty nasty taste.

In the third movie, there's some stupid dialogue, but some scintillating action. I honestly believe that the finale fight is one of the all-time great cinematic fights.

But once it's over you feel cheated. You've lost your protagonists, you don't care that anything was saved......*shrug*

The sum of the parts is greater than the whole.
 
It's a good sci fi movie but hardly genious imo. Great style (although not original - see Dark City), great FX, but laughable martial arts (given that the characters are meant to be experts) and at the core of the film, a recycled concept that had been done several times over the years.
 
As you say, a lot of people think that the first one is good, but the two sequels dragged the trilogy down.

I personally think that the first one is also crap, mainly because of Canoe and his inability to act, so could never bring myself to watch the second and third. But I can't imagine that they would change my opinion in any way. So, no I don't think any of the Matrix movies deserves any respect. Maybe if the director had found an actor to play the star of the film things would be different?
 
I guess I need to watch more movies. Admittedly, I haven't seen Dark City. I have seen Ghost In The Shell, and some of the ideas were definitely taken from that.



You're right. Keanu Reeves is quite possibly the worst actor on the planet.



Bo! :D
 
The Wachowskis managed in 3 movies what it took George Lucas 6 to achieve so you have to credit their economy in the demolition stakes. ;)
 
I love the first one, thought it was amazing, but I thought it should have only been one movie, not a trilogy.

At the end of the first one the system crashed and the way it ended, I thought that should be it. I forget the line that neo says before he puts the phone down. When I left the cinema people around me were like "WTF?", but I liked it.

When the second on came I had a bit of hope, that was destroyed not long after the beginning because: Neo, being The One, being Mr Badass, being Mr "I went inside Agent Smiths Head and Blow him up", was actually fighting the Agents hand to hand and uttered (lamely, is that a word, lol) "Upgrades?". I thought they would be nothing to him.

I know the it had a really cool chase scene, But when the hell did Morpheus get so Hard?

Taking on an Agent on his Todd! He nearly gets killed in the first one, and in the second he's enRAB up mearly with a cut lip. And By the end your thinking is Neo some sort of God or summat (bringing people back to life and being a bug zapper in the real world).

The third one was just very, very cheesey.



I thought it was too much like DBZ, lol. I think there's a lot more better fights in films. Enter The Dragon, Fearless, Ong Bak, Warrior King, Unleashed..............Hell even at the end Guyver: Dark Hero

IMHO the sequels were rushed and badly written, trying to cash in on the sucess of the first one, They even brought out the game Enter The Matrix.

In the end I think they should have just left it at one, that's why I only own the first on DVD.
 
I would agree that the Matrix sequels are much better than the prevailing internet/fandom opinion (WORST. MOVIES. EVER).

Personally, I think the first one was the best action film in a decade (since maybe T2). [5 stars]

The second one was not as good and was spoiled by the rubbish digital actors (after the effects in the first being almost flawless). It was still a reasonable action film though [3 stars]

I thought the third one was the best sci-fi war film since Aliens and it had some good stuff with Neo too. The effects were much better than Reloaded too. [4 stars]
 
Adore the first one, sequels were fun for special effects and so on but not up there with the first, the first to me was a wonderful neo noir, lost that in the sequels.

First isn't genius/original(even the roof chase at the start of the first is very very similar to a scene in the Hitchcock film Vertigo) but what it took from things they put it all into a wonderful looking film at the time of release, nicely done.
 
I feel completely opposite to how you do about the trilogy. The first is a masterpiece imo. The second has only one good scene - the motorbike/car chase. The third film is shockingly inept. I don't know where to begin with my slating of it. It's way too convoluted - it stinks of "let's make this REALLY complicated", I mean, wtf is all that crap with the little girl and the keymaker and the guy in the room with all the tv's? Did anyone seriously care about any of that carp? And the rave scene was so out-of-place and mtv-friendly and appalling I almost walked out the cinema. The ending is lame too - Neo is just "one" of a conveyer belt of hero's who will stop the matrix, then we get peace until it kicks off again and goes around in circles yeah? CARP! And the fight with Mr Smith and his 1000s of "copies" just stank of "look how clever our programmers are" and was the most ridiculous over-egging of cgi in cinema history. So far.

And relax.
 
Yep, I was also dissappointed with the third film. Was expecting a real big finale to finish off the triology but ended up a bit 'finger down the throat job'.

Looking forward though to re-watching all three on Blu-ray.
 
The Matrix Trilogy does it deserve more respect?

In a word - No.

First film = Awesome! Absolute, undeniable classic. Will still be revered for years & years to come.

Second film = Horribly average. Could have been so much more...

Third film = UTTER BOLLOX! Biggest disappointment ever. If only it could be deleted from my memory banks forever.
 
I prefer the 2nd and 3rd film, never saw all the fuss with the first film, plus it had all these weirdo fans making it out to be the best thing ever! :rolleyes:
 
The Matrix was superb. A great story, not too complex, efficient narrative, superb characters, marvellous action sequences and pioneering special effects that set the standard for what was to follow. The slow motion action sequences have been copied innumerable times!

The sequels were disappointing. They were not necessarily bad films but they had too much to live up to, in my opinion.
 
I thought the first was a masterpiece at the time but now as good as it is, it doesn't live up to how great i thought it was.
The second one had the good motorbike car chase and i have to say the fight with the hundreRAB of Smiths after meeting the Oracle - the FX were good but crap at the same time - yes it was unbelievable FX but half the time it didn't look like Neo - it look like a game version.

I also really liked the twins who i had forgotten about as well as the Merovingian who i have to say i love and the fight scene with Neo and Merovingian's men was good.

I actually quite liked the scene with the Architect and the tv screens - BTW that's in the second film not the third. I think when you get the idea that Neo is just one of many One's - you may feel a bit cheated but tbh i think that is a marvellous concept and one that works well within the films that Neo is just a One of his generation but he is better than the one's before as said by the Merovingian.

The concept of he is just the One that will repeat until there is no more Matrix but the fact is that Neo wasn't that One - he chose not the "right" door but the "wrong" door in the fact he chose to save Trinity and therefore this wasn't just a cycle that will repeat itself again.

On to the third film and i agree i didn't care for zion being destroyed etc because they didn't really sell it and i didn't care for that but i cared for Trinity, Neo, Morpheus, the Oracle etc. The third film is alot more content driven and story/character driven than anything else and i think thats the reason why it is also possibly the strongest film of the three. It is not a great film based on the revolutionary CG and fight sequences, which is what i feel carried the first two films.

There are the amazing action sequences such as Niobe driving RolanRAB ship down the mechanical line as well as the fight sequence with Smith and Neo.

I think the films overall has a beautiful concept and is in parts beautifully filmed and realised. I think especially when the Oracle actually talks about the films concept in terms of the equations - i thought that was really beautiful and well written.
 
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