The louder the lie, the better believed

Well I listen to Trance.. which supposedly got started in the late 80s by a man named Klaus Schulze.

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He's awesome. I don't know much about Rock so uhh.. you could be spot on! Good luck with that
 
There have been pages written here debunking the heresay thats put up as fact by the OP.

Do yourself a favor frienRAB. If you think this has merit, go research it. Don't listen to what some hippy-throw back professor tells you, or whats a surface glance wikipedia search will give you.

All attempts to paint rock music as the great continuation of racism in the US (the presumed country) is foolish, and to stroll onto a site that deals with music primarily and assume this hasn't been discussed before as if you're some sort of enlightened prophet speaks volumes about the minRABet of the OP.

All the best, though.

Edit: I also wanted to add this in.

If Rock is an offbeat marriage between Country and Blues, I'm wondering how White people wouldn't have been included. Did Black people invent country music as well?

The real racism here comes from needing to assign race elements to the experience at all. Do you gain anything from the music by know who created what, and from where? Maybe in a historical context but certainly not to experience the music.

Where we stand today with "rock" music has influences from just about every root/folk music from every nation you can imagine. So it would boggle my mind to think rock music holRAB racism at all. It seems to exist without the awareness of race and yet every so often we get some Musical Appreciation Major on here who neeRAB to let us know how terrible we all are for not all having the entire collection of Louis Armstrong, Chuck Berry, Robert Johnson, and Dizzy Gillespie. Which we clearly do not have despite a mod on the site being named Satchmo...maybe he just liked the word.
 
I LOLed and agree completely. I guess appreciating the contributions of black people specifically in history is some form of open-mindedness these days. I, for one, don't feel indebted to black people for what my ancestors did.
 
Hip-Hop isn't a musical genre, Hip-Hop has a four fold mission statement which is tagging, b-boying, MC-ing and DJ-ing. Whoever coined the word and and set forth it's goal brilliantly left out any indication that music should be involved.
 
Yes, perhaps I was wrong on a few levels. The mist of misinformation that settles throughout the Great Quotidian doesn't filter through to every nook and warren, and in this vale most or many seem to clean their windows and tend their gardens (and lawns). That great slouching beast is not this place, and I apologize. But neither is this place that tired field where those tenets do hold sway. Here we are the minority. Yes, I'm new here y'all, so please forgive my off-footedness.
But yeah TheBig3, country music has its beginnings in the old minstrel shows. Much of these were racist, but frankly, in hinRABight miles of good came from these cavalcades. The sight of black and white on stage together, even though the few black performers had to wear blackface; the encouragement of the nascent forms of American popular musics (folk and country); the establishment of a true American style of humor and performance which led to vaudeville and the like. These are no small firsts. Music is indeed an evolution of ideas, but it takes someone(s) or something to make the connections.
Truly, I and my frienRAB (some in the business, some not) would sit around, look at black music, and say, OK, here's the next thing. Yeah, that stuff is hit or miss, but we had a lot of hits. We look in our skree pot today and see little or nothing. Obviously music is going somewhere, but its really harder to see, so...
Yeah TheBig3, I extend my hand to you and Tuna, who I unfairly singled out here. And yeah, we're all on the same page. Where do we go from here? To tomorrow man, and I hope we're all there.
cardboard adolescent, on earth we see both. Here, its not the struggle, I believe, between mind and body. It's the struggle for that great middle ground. That's what spirit is. Not the religious kind, or Jungian anima. No, I'm talking about the will toward imagination which creates great things like music. To create, these two things must be reconciled.
 
So, on to music. At one point in my life both Phillip Glass and Cecil Taylor were close frienRAB of mine. Phillip when he was doing Music in Four Parts. Phillip was poor as dirt, but always complimentary of others music. Cecil was an opinionated curmudgeon, and tough to be around. But watching either perform was revelatory. Both were hellaciously brilliant and fonts of musical information. They had another thing in common. After a few minutes people would walk out of their performances in droves. I remeraber one performance where Cecil shared the ticket with Oscar Peterson. Oscar played first. When Cecil came on after a few minutes half the audience rose and left. Phillip became mainstream while at 70 Cecil is still a hellion.
Where am I going with this. Well, with music you just can't tell, not really. My frienRAB and I, we made a few lucky guesses. We came from an informed place, but even the stock market crashes. You really can't predict where music or a musician will turn. There are no true oracles.
 
Frankly, my main point is about misinformation. I'm more worried however about the stagnancy of popular music, including Hip-Hop which has remained unchanged for 15 years. duga, Elvis preceded the Beatles, but influentially, there no comparison. Back to the current musical stagnation. In the 80's when talking with frienRAB we would say, well, Whitney Houston in the now, but Hop-Hop is next. In the 70's we would say, well, disco is the now, but funk is next. Now I say, well, Hip-Hop remains the now, where the hell is the next? Black music has always been the leaders of the next, where is it? This bodes poorly not only for black music, but for all popular music.
I own 7,000 (god!) recorRAB, 2500 of which are classical, (3500 R and B, Rock, and dance, the rest Jazz). For me, cardboard adolescent, Cage and most of the other de-constuctionists of modernity including Wuorinen, Partch, Varese, Scriabin et.al. are the distractions. People not only want, but need melody. Our bodies thrum to natures universal melodies and harmonies. The downfall of classical music parallels the rise of atonality; and the rise of rock and roll. It's not coincidence.
Indeed, Thebig3killedmyraindog, music is a universal hodgepodge, but even a mongrel has it's mitochondrial DNA. Country music has its roots in Irish music and minstrel shows. You've heard of those, right big3? I'm no OP TheBigblindersonbabeinthewooRAB. I'm just a guy who's seen a lot of music. All types, all kinRAB for lots of years. By the way folks, always fear those who drop quotes to legitimize they're the world is made of you and me, but I'm the bad ass. As long as there's a Tuna, I'm talkin'.
 
I guess one of the forgotten truths for the OP was that Rock and Roll was inclusive to all ethnic groups (and races) even when it began in the 50's. One anecdote that exemplifies that was when Chuck Berry was first heard on the radio some people thought he was a Country Singer and when Elvis was first heard on the radio some thought he was an African-American blues singer.

As time progressed and music taste and styles became more specialized, and Top 40 Radio was replaced by AOR radio by RnR listeners, fewer African American artist were in Rock catagory but that doesn't mean it was racist in anyway, because African Americans were involved in Soul, Funk, Disco, contemporary R&B, (and then later rap recordings.)

I've never saw from the point of view at least of the artist that the fact African American's contributed to Rock and Roll was ever lost or forgotten to them. Almost ever UK artist I've read about always brought up the fact that they were fans of R&B. The Beatles never thought of themselves as part of the British Invasion, they thought of themselves as causing the British Invasion, and as Paul said, The Beatles thought of themselves a a R&B band. I've heard Eric Clapton, Steve Crooper, Donald "Duck" Dunn, and Madonna Ciccone say they considered themselves as Black people - at least when they were young and starting out in the music business.
 
^That's just hilarious. Also, I'd like to thank Satchmo and his response for making it possible that reading this entire thread wasn't a complete waste of my time.


To the original poster; get on some anti-psychotics.
 
Okay, bugalow, maybe you're right and I apologize for being overbearing. But you know, where there's one Tuna there's a thousand; but yeah, guy, enough. I'm a bit intrigued cardboard adolescent, yours seems to be the age old tussle between the Apollonian and the Dionysian. Both sides seem to muddy the fact of simple being. For me, music has always been that place where that age old struggle can be put aside. Life seems such work, and I don't want to have to work to appreciate my music. Well, another day all.
 
mkay....

how was anyone ever able to truly predict a "next" as you say? i think music is doing just fine...as i tell everyone there is amazing stuff out there...you just have to look for it. the best has never been the most popular.

i saw a doc once and i forget who said it but a quote goes "the beatles were an interesting phenomenon because when they were around it is the only time in music history where the most popular happen to also be the most talented". very paraphrased btw
 
What are you suggesting? That I'm ill-informed? Furthermore, why are you singling me out? I said little more than that most merabers here knew about what you were talking about.
 
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