The future of anime.

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So, anyway, I have been lurking for a bit and have sort of gaged you guys and found that maybe this place isn't to bad.

So, maybe I can put forward this serious topic for discussion without too many of you trolling me like children?


So anyway, what do you guys think of the direction anime is going in?

Many people now seem to think something along the line of "anime was only good in the old days", seemingly stuck in some kind of rut, unable to accept that advances in technology and society means anime will of course evolve, quite naturally along with its demographic.
That demographic, by the way, not being you.

So what about you?

I personally think anime is going in a good direction.
Animation is smooth, art work is beautiful, characters have not really changed much though.

I suppose most of you will probably be thinking something along the lines of "but we have things like moe, loli and tsundere now which makes like 90% of anime unsuitable for anything.".
If so, I have a question for you, when you do think these things were introduced into anime, and when do you think anime started to decline?
 
I don't mind moe or tsunderres, its the constant overuse of fanservice that bothers me. it says hay, we may not have a good story or well developed characters..but we got fictional boobs & panty shots! (YAY! sarcasm)

anime's pandering to the more hardcore perverse otakus is just sad.

as for when it started going downhill..2005 the same year most U.S. shows became genaric & unwatchable (maybe its a conspiricy! 8O )

But I do think its slowly imroving, shows like Five Leaves, Rainbow, Tatami Galaxy & Gundam Unicorn prove they can still make good shows with out alot of pandering to pervs. I think eventually we will see a decent balance between general shows & fanservice heavcy shows. Hopefully.
 
The thing to remember about anime is that it has become a big business. Business does not care about art or aesthetics or the wellness of its customer base -- it only cares about profits and more profits.

Good artists can take advantage of this by convincing the business types to exploit them. Good art is potentially more lucrative than poor art. Artists that have shown to turn out a big hit have no trouble getting funders for their future products. That's true also of Hollywood, Bollywood, and the music market as well.

Unfortunately, complete crap can be lucrative as well. What they will do is find out how to make the cheapest product possible that will turn a profit. This is why Warhol famously said "90% of everything is crap." And so is anime. It turns out anime is very susceptible to formulas that the fan base will buy over and over again. Any generalized comment about anime has to keep this in mind.

For me, the other 10% makes it worth it.
 
Personally I like the direction anime is going in the terms of flexibility since digital technology made it become less strenuous to produce animation. Although my heart belongs to the realm of the cellulose medium, I've seen a lot of anime with clever stories being done on what would be the death of animators.

Like many people however, I'm not extremely fond of the overabundance of moe anime and shows that rely on the ol' pantsu and oppai; though I won't lie that I want some of the figurines for select shows. Rather, there needs to be a balance between a good story, compelling characters and dialogue, and awesome animation with a small mix of tongue-and-cheek humor, innuendo, and the moe-fluff. Plenty of shows have done that.

If there were more experimental anime out there that break the traditional standard of present anime, we just might be seeing a new-wave or 5th (4th?) impact.
 
Soundmonkey44 said:
I don't mind moe or tsunderres, its the constant overuse of fanservice that bothers me. it says hay, we may not have a good story or well developed characters..but we got fictional boobs & panty shots! (YAY! sarcasm)

But I do think its slowly imroving, shows like Five Leaves, Rainbow, Tatami Galaxy & Gundam Unicorn prove they can still make good shows with out alot of pandering to pervs. I think eventually we will see a decent balance between general shows & fanservice heavcy shows. Hopefully.
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You seem to be stuck in a line of thought that demonises fanservice. The bias that fanservice is the polar opposite to deep storyline is extremely prevalent in your post.
 
シズル said:
Soundmonkey44 said:
I don't mind moe or tsunderres, its the constant overuse of fanservice that bothers me. it says hay, we may not have a good story or well developed characters..but we got fictional boobs & panty shots! (YAY! sarcasm)

But I do think its slowly imroving, shows like Five Leaves, Rainbow, Tatami Galaxy & Gundam Unicorn prove they can still make good shows with out alot of pandering to pervs. I think eventually we will see a decent balance between general shows & fanservice heavcy shows. Hopefully.
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You seem to be stuck in a line of thought that demonises fanservice. The bias that fanservice is the polar opposite to deep storyline is extremely prevalent in your post.
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admitingly somewhat, yes I am, I don't hate Fanservice, I just find it pointless and tasteless to make a show that consits of nothing but ecchi content, I don't mind it in comedies or when it is used rarely or appropriatley, but it is WAY overused in modern anime for the most part.
 
シズル said:
Soundmonkey44 said:
I don't mind moe or tsunderres, its the constant overuse of fanservice that bothers me. it says hay, we may not have a good story or well developed characters..but we got fictional boobs & panty shots! (YAY! sarcasm)

But I do think its slowly imroving, shows like Five Leaves, Rainbow, Tatami Galaxy & Gundam Unicorn prove they can still make good shows with out alot of pandering to pervs. I think eventually we will see a decent balance between general shows & fanservice heavcy shows. Hopefully.
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You seem to be stuck in a line of thought that demonises fanservice. The bias that fanservice is the polar opposite to deep storyline is extremely prevalent in your post.
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Wonder if he ever watched stuff like B Gatta H, where ecchi and the story line are blended together seamlessly.
 
The future of anime does not seem to be significantly different from its history. There has never been a year or season where 100% of the titles were grade A material. The internet has just made Americans and the World more aware of the average anime titles in Japan along with the excellent titles that get licensed or noticed more.

Anime is not increasing in pandering to otaku with fanservice. Hot springs, beach trips, shower scenes, panty shots(a Japanese fetish), bloody noses, and the like have been in constant use in anime. This is not pandering, it is flavored to the moralistic taste of the domestic audience.
 
ArsenicSteel said:
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Anime is not increasing in pandering to otaku with fanservice. Hot springs, beach trips, shower scenes, panty shots(a Japanese fetish), bloody noses, and the like have been in constant use in anime. This is not pandering, it is flavored to the moralistic taste of the domestic audience.
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It is pandering, it has increased in past years, it has nothing to do with morals or lack there of. its pure pandering plane & simple. I realize these things have always been in anime, but INCREASING THE AMOUNT is a form of pandering to a certain sector of your fanbase. again some ecchi here & there is fine, but if thats all a show has to offer, you can't really say they ARN"T Pandering.
 
In a whole everything evolves, nothing can remain the same forever, things grow and a whole new chapter is opened.

Anime is just like everything else, it can't remain with the same art or story lines and it sure can't remain with the same thing for years, I believe anime today is just as good as those of the past, loli, fanservice and moe are all part of a demographic and are elements that are only additional features to a show.

These elements help make the show what it is and are all elements that are necessary, many may not agree with this but this is what help sells the show and what matter is the show getting out there.

If you don't like ecchi simply don't watch a anime with ecchi in it's category, the same goes for moe and loli, personally i like all this elements because they do play a role in the show and it is all about making the money well tending to all fans.
 
I want to be amazed and challenged by anime. Fan service and ecchi does neither. Sure, it can be fun but that's all. They aren't intrinsic to animation so why bother?

Having got that off my chest, I agree with the argument that anime is constantly changing. The thoughtful, philosophical sci-fi (GitS, Lain, et al) is now part of the past along with their particular character styles. Let's hope tomorrow's anime is as interesting, though.
 
Soundmonkey44 said:
It is pandering, it has increased in past years, it has nothing to do with morals or lack there of. its pure pandering plane & simple. I realize these things have always been in anime, but INCREASING THE AMOUNT is a form of pandering to a certain sector of your fanbase. again some ecchi here & there is fine, but if thats all a show has to offer, you can't really say they ARN"T Pandering.
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Obviously we're not talking about shows that offer ecchi only. I have the feeling that you distance yourself from fanservice because you're afraid of the reputation it has. If an anime caters to you exactly what you want- amazing storytelling, deep characters and plenty of character development throughout the story, shot-on-ones quality animation and beautiful art, but also pitches in some ecchi in quite large amounts, I'm sure you'd start complaining about it immediately because it is unneccesary and everything unneccesary in your book is a sin. That's the way ascetics live. Perhaps you should try to see fanservice as a nice extra rather than a hindrance to your viewing enjoyment.
 
シズル said:

Obviously we're not talking about shows that offer ecchi only. I have the feeling that you distance yourself from fanservice because you're afraid of the reputation it has. If an anime caters to you exactly what you want- amazing storytelling, deep characters and plenty of character development throughout the story, shot-on-ones quality animation and beautiful art, but also pitches in some ecchi in quite large amounts, I'm sure you'd start complaining about it immediately because it is unneccesary and everything unneccesary in your book is a sin. That's the way ascetics live. Perhaps you should try to see fanservice as a nice extra rather than a hindrance to your viewing enjoyment.
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ahh....No...thats not quite what I'm saying...I don't mind fanservice when used properly or for comedy I just dislike it when its overused. it has nothing to do with any moral code or "Book of sin" I just find it in bad taste at times. Its just a prefernce thing.
 
シズル said:
Soundmonkey44 said:
It is pandering, it has increased in past years, it has nothing to do with morals or lack there of. its pure pandering plane & simple. I realize these things have always been in anime, but INCREASING THE AMOUNT is a form of pandering to a certain sector of your fanbase. again some ecchi here & there is fine, but if thats all a show has to offer, you can't really say they ARN"T Pandering.
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Obviously we're not talking about shows that offer ecchi only. I have the feeling that you distance yourself from fanservice because you're afraid of the reputation it has. If an anime caters to you exactly what you want- amazing storytelling, deep characters and plenty of character development throughout the story, shot-on-ones quality animation and beautiful art, but also pitches in some ecchi in quite large amounts, I'm sure you'd start complaining about it immediately because it is unneccesary and everything unneccesary in your book is a sin. That's the way ascetics live. Perhaps you should try to see fanservice as a nice extra rather than a hindrance to your viewing enjoyment.
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I agree with that, a anime with a well developed story, a good character development and a decent cast with a little pinch of ecchi is the best, a great man once said: "give them what they want!!" and many want ecchi and get it.
 
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