The Death of symbian

POLO
Listen to me I'm not trying to bash Android like I sound. The reason why I sound kind of negative is because I just don't see the hype behind it. What I see in android is a platform is an open OS where you can get lots of free apps, great customization, great UI, great outstanding web browsing, and a great look of the screen. If that's what the hype is about, then okay that's understandable. But after playing being wowed with all the stuff it can do, I was highly disappointed with the battery life which turned me off from it.

I'm a hardware guy 1st. And battery life is hands down the most important thing to me when it comes to phones. Cause without it, you can't do nothing with it no matter what OS you have from symbian, winmo, and android. I think this is why we agree and disagree with 1 another. I'm also a fan of OS and Software because great hardware needs great software and vice versa. As for Windows argument you make a valid point, but aren't you aware that Android has a badass marketing team?? Plus Windows on the other hand windows mobile marketing is meh.....They definitely improved their marketing for WP7.



Don't know how to do that on my phone sir.
 
+1
I would love to see the N8 succeed to, it would be great if they could just release finished products, i mean yeah Androids to have bugs and screw ups here and there but they generaly are a lot more stable than Symbians.
It sucks to watch the same mistakes being done again and again, and even outside the USA, the N8 has a HUGE amount of potential but its being wasted on poor software.
 
Symbian battery life is only good when you're not using smartphone features. Anything data intensive kills the battery quite quickly, and even non data intensive but processor intensive programs drain it very noticably.



The reason the battery performance on Android seems worse is because there's more you can do with an Android handset and therefore more opportunity to drain the battery. It's so hard to find programs for Symbian that battery life gets preserved by virtue of not using the system. As for reliability, out of memory issues have been a problem forever with Symbian, and still haven't been fixed. I don't consider a platform reliable if it supports multitasking but crashes when multiple programs are open due to insufficient resources.



Show me someone who goes out to buy a Symbian phone that isn't a Nokia. Sony Ericsson and Samsung abandoned Symbian because nobody was buying their Symbian phones. People will buy a Nokia regardless of the OS, to buy a Sony Ericsson or Samsung there needs to be an added incentive, and Symbian isn't that.
 
this thread has gotten to the point that its laughable. Just like all the other threads that are based on opinion, rather than fact. Every one of you needs to take one Giant step back and look at what your doing.

1) Your arguing with some stranger, who may be half a world away from you. A person of different social, economical, and geographical differences than you.
2) Your trying to tell him/her, that the phone he/she saved for, bought with his/her hard earned cash, is worthless. (or as the OP puts it dying)
3) Your trying to tell him/her that your current phone is much better at doing all the things that he/she may need. (even though you have no idea what his/her needs are)

Its pointless. And it becomes more, and more ridiculous each time someone starts a new thread. You may has well just beat your heads against the wall. Everyone has their own opinions. The more you try to change those opinions, the more entrenched they become.

In the words of Michael Franti. "Nobody Right, Nobody Wrong"
 
I don't see what your point is. You can still get weather and other widgets for symbian. You are making it sound like this is something new that android came up with.
 
This argument is bogus, and something I'd expect from an Apple fanboy defending Macs. Symbian was the leading smartphone platform for years because of its massive software library. That was the standard that had it leading when it was the leader, you can't suddenly change the criteria now that it's no longer favourable to Symbian.

Saying Symbian has low CPU and RAM usage is also bogus, Symbian phones always have insufficient CPU and RAM to run the system with programs stably and efficiently.
 
I been on Symbian for the last 10 years or so. Just switch to Android to see what all the hoopla is
about. I'm on my second Android in less than a month and it's been nothing but aggravations.
There's some nice Android phones but they just seems to forgot the basic, and that these are phones
and making accepting phone calls should be a priority. I like to surf the web on my phone but I think my voice calls
is more important.
If I can sell my Nexus 1 I'll go for the N8 or N900
 
Goozy
If you go back a page you'll see i spoke about widgets in Symbian. What you quoted was my reply to Sivraj's comment on widgets and their importance to some.
 
Because it is true. How it doesn't back up all my knowledge? All the flashy stuff that android can do with pointless apps and widgets when you're doing no justice but killing your battery life. Yes I know it's a smartphone and can do wonders. The UI and all that stuff is better than symbian I'll admit, but anybody that thinks android is a reliable OS and is good on battery management is an idiot. Android will have it's success for a min and it'll fade away like yesterday. With WM7 on the rise and Meego being created and symbian 3 having potential it's going to be hard for android to swim with the rest of the fishes.



Actually I tried plenty of android phones. I was extremely impressed on the things it can do, but was turned off from the terrible battery life.



And what kind of smartphone features are you talking about? Cause I use the internet on my phone alot and I don't drain the battery fast like I do with calling. I even play alot of music and don't drain it as fast.
 
Only reason why Symbian doesn't use that much battery as an Android because it doesn't "Internet" as much. And you don't "internet" as much because you don't have apps to give you good reason for it. Music doesn't drain battery. During travels, I have a MyTouch 3G used as a no data phone, with internet access only on Wifi. The phone could last me days.

Android doesn't need 1 GHz CPU to run. With 500 to 600MHz CPUs its fast enough that I don't see any speed difference both Symbian^3 and Blackberry OS6 when running on 600Mhz + CPUs.

As for reliability, I had more battery pulls on two Nokia Symbian smartphones than I have on the six Androids in my collection. Granted, Symbian is well above Windows Mobile for reliability, but in my experience its behind the Blackberry OS which in turn is behind Android.
 
28 million smartphones in a quarter still says its more than viable. With invisibility comes ubiquity.

The Nokia N8 and E7 seems like viable high end phones to me, though not for the power user geek types but more for the business and social Blackberry crowd.

Symbian works pretty well if you're a user whose primary purpose in a smartphone is messaging, mainly texting, plus a bit of IM and email, with the mobile web as secondary. Android works pretty well if you're a user whose primary purpose is the mobile web, apps, social networking, and most especially, with GMail. I can see Android vastly expanding, but I don't see Symbian's core markets going away anytime soon.
 
Keep telling yourself that ;) last i checked, Android globaly has leaped by 1309%, it is now just 9-10% away from taking Symbian off its throne in just a year.
As i said, you may go on about the potential and updates in Symbian but Android irg ALREADY realy good and with GB and HC coming this and next year its going to be a hell of a lot better than it is already, Symbian will still be behind as the updates are only rolling in piece by piece, there's hardly even any talk about software ventures with app or game devs.
Meego? Tell me, when are we even going to see the 1st Meego phone??? By the time its available, Android HC will be on a bunch of dual-core Tegra2, dual core Snapdragons, dual core Hummingbird and dual core A9 Cortex TI OMAP4 based devices, and Android will be as an OS will be even more powerful by then, it seems Symbian will be the one having a hard time.
Wp7 is the only potential threat i see to Android, but there is still an entire market of people going from feature phones to smartphones, so even with WP7, Android should continue to grow.

"pointless apps and widgets"??? So news widgets that keep me up to date with whats going on up to the minute are pointless? weather widgets which will determine where and how events will be carried out are pointless? Widgets that allow me to quickly see my Calendar at a quick glance are pointless? I could go on, you clearly have no real knowledge of what you're talking about, only words you are able to use are "flashy" and "battery life" as thats what you see in other Symbian blogs and forums, the way you go on is as if you have never touched an Android, if you knew anything about Android you'd know the two many causes of battery life being a bit lower than Symbian is due to the large Displays and heavy use of the Internet. Androids have widgets that update every couple of minutes that requires data, they have updates from Market being pushed to them, Email, FB, Twitter etc... Symbian only updates widgets in the main screen, and email and if you have Gravity then Twitter, but it simply doesnt take/internet as much as Android.

The N8 can reach low battery in under a day thanks to Opera Mobile, Gravity and IM, the 1st two are absolute resource hogs, and can even bring a low memory warning due to them eating so much RAM yet those are the best browser and social network client in Symbian.
 
You just showed me how pointless your widgets are with your post!! You really need to know the weather of your local area when you can just look outside or look at the news before you leave your house? You really need a widget to actually see a date instead of just having your date on the phone?? LOL what a complete idiotic decisional waste!!

Of course the battery can die quick on opera mobile especially if you're on the net for a while. Hell any phone battery will die fast if you're on the net! No phone is invincible for that. I have a E75 and I can tell you that cause I be on the net alot if I'm not home with my laptop. Internet and calling is the top notch battery drainers. The only nokia phone I can think of on top of my head for Meego is the Nokia N9. We'll see how that does.

I also like the fact that how you say Android is not too far taking over symbian worldwide. Which is pretty true. And you also have to believe that it's not a surprise because of the fact it's on every network and manufacturer. So it's not hard to dominate a market when everybody is co-signing and backing you up! The reason why Android is catching up is not only is it on every network and brand, but because of the fact that Nokia didn't release alot of top notch phones at all this year until later. Symbian along with Nokia still sell more phones worldwide than iphone and android combined. And you're right, Symbian can do stuff that android can do but can Android do it better?? Yes! Because android has a better UI then symbian.

WP7 might be a threat to android?? I doubt it. We'll see. It has potential but I'm not 100% sure it'll be better than android I have to try WP7.

EDIT: Keep in mind that was in September of this year when Nokia outsold iphone and android worldwide, maybe nokia fell off a bit.
 
*Sigh* I have stayed out of this thread for days because of not wanting to bump it, but that's not gonna end anytime soon.



First and foremost this thread was started with the intention to Troll. We've have had countless number of other threads just like this come and go and if we had an active moderator this would have been locked a long time ago. :doh:


Second - the only way this thread will die is if people finally "agree to disagree" and let it die!


Third - I'm currently looking at my dresser and sitting on top of it is a e72, N8, Desire, and Galaxy S. I can make a laundry list case pro/con case for each phone. (basically already did in my N8 thread).

^ No phone in that pack is a clear cut winner. Soon I will be eliminating (at least 2) and I know a couple that I'm looking forward to within the year. The cycle repeats.



Finally - As already stated this is a troll topic (and usually a fight breaks out in troll topics). Please let it die already... :)
 
Sivraj
Have you ever done events management and promotions? Weather can change within a matter of hours! I could leave home with the weather man claiming a sunny day with mild showers, only to find its a storm with quite a bit of wind, so YES the weather widget is important, especialy if i want to keep my holiday job, as its summer this side weather can change at any point, and luckily my Android checks every 30mins, it also lets me know the approximate time the sun will set, a crucial thing when you have outdoor/indoor events, and game drives, again you simply have no clue how that info helps in many areas. It even gives me a 7day forecast widget, which is great for planning ahead and having a rough idea of how the weather will be that day.

Calendar, its not just a date, when you have a list of things to do/remember you want them right there at a glance, especialy if its a long day, i can get a call on the office phone and just a peak at my X10's homescreen i can say if i will be available, the client will already feel confident in me as im able to respond quickly, and not fiddle around trying to get to my calendar, it helps in daily productivity.
Absolutely nothing idiotic, just because you cant see how it will be useful doesn't make it idiotic.

I also use a widget for specific notes, whether it be about things to do at the event, the event programme etc... just a click away and im in THAT specific note, i could on and on at how useful widgets are, they make you a lot more productive and reliable, and in Android they are so much richer in content.

Windows Mobile upto 6.5 COMPLETELY contradicts your statement as it was on almost every manufacturer, yet it never realy did out do Symbian, so that totaly throws out your arguement.
Nokia had the N97 which to them was "top notch" they said themselves it was a sales success but a disaster in software so again your agruement doesnt hold, what has happened is that Androids got better and people realised it. Nokia had a headstart with the N97/Mini, and X6, beginning of this year, with only the Hero, NexusOne and Milestone being real Android competition, yet 2 of those Androids were not widely available, NexusOne flopped and it was realy the Milestone and Hero were the two that carried the weight until April to August where X10, Desire, and Galaxy-S took over, im talking outside the USA, yet still Symbian lost share, and Android accelerated, it only realy gained momentum globaly this year.

iOS and Android combined will actualy add up to more than Symbian. If im not mistaken Android is at 25% global, Apple at 17% global and Symbian at around 36% global, do the math ;)

Yes Android has a better UI but its not just that, its how apps work, and how well they simply tie into the system, and work well together.
 
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