David Kelvin
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so symbian is dying:help: as a smart Phone platform, nokia's large number of sale is only in the low end Phone market. OR will symbian be reinvented and developed into a more developed platform :devil:
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The Death of symbian
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bluesclues
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Really??? Really??????? Do we need another thread on this? I vote to for the mods to ban this guy just.
tired of ppl saying symbian is dead. Best OS out. android/iOS/BB are a complete joke and even though they raise alot of eyebrows, im not wasting my time or money on a device that great in emails, a device thats great in modding (though symbian can be done too) and a device thats great for apps. Iwaste it on a device that acts as a phone first. Ppl said nintendo was dead with ps1/ps2 and xbox.. but after a while nintendo came back to be on top with others catchin up
Funny thing is that I don't wish for Android, iOS or WebOS to be dead. In fact I think the more the merrier and the competition has gotten us some damn good devices. Seems like a win for everyone in this regard since there are good Droids, iPhone, Palms and Nokias. I am happy for anyone that finds the device they like and enjoy.
What I can't stand is the fanboys who actually would be happy to see Symbian (or arguably any OS) die. Why would you want to see something like an OS die? How does that benefit anyone? How does that make you happy????
What I can't stand is the fanboys who actually would be happy to see Symbian (or arguably any OS) die. Why would you want to see something like an OS die? How does that benefit anyone? How does that make you happy????
italian guy
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Well it's so dead it's bigger than the next 2 biggest competitors combined. I bet Android wishes it were this dead.
Th3 DoM1naToR
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We have mods?
goldenbutterfly
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maker;14140417']Don't feed the troll
seriously a troll, if you don't like the thread ten let it DIE
so anyway i worked with symbian, i've worked with android and IOS, nd th thing is ok nokia jumpet on board with OVI market to join all the platforms to make third party apps available for the users, "but HAVE YOU SEEN OVI MARKET PLACE" they have about 10,000 apps available by god BADA has more apps
Nokia has to start focus on encouraging developers and developing the market
so anyway i worked with symbian, i've worked with android and IOS, nd th thing is ok nokia jumpet on board with OVI market to join all the platforms to make third party apps available for the users, "but HAVE YOU SEEN OVI MARKET PLACE" they have about 10,000 apps available by god BADA has more apps
Nokia has to start focus on encouraging developers and developing the market
GraceGiven
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Symbian^3 isn't impressive, it's more of the same. As a smartphone platform, Symbian is weak, the only reason it's alive is because Nokia makes great hardware, nobody would be willing to put up with Symbian if it were on any other hardware, and unfortunately Nokia is doing a bad job of leveraging that to get more people liking Symbian.
As a phone it's certainly better than iOS, still, but on a software level I'd put Android well ahead of it. Who knows, maybe Symbian^3 has managed to get better than Windows Mobile 6.5.3, but Symbian^1 is certainly still just sitting around Windows Mobile 6.5.0.
As a phone it's certainly better than iOS, still, but on a software level I'd put Android well ahead of it. Who knows, maybe Symbian^3 has managed to get better than Windows Mobile 6.5.3, but Symbian^1 is certainly still just sitting around Windows Mobile 6.5.0.
howaytheladlee
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More of the same? How is symbian 3 a weak platform when you can do just about anything that android can do with better battery life? Symbian has improved and it's evolving. Also keep in mind that Nokia is working on meego which is supposed to be better than symbian and possibly android. Now as for android, yes the UI and apps are better than symbian without a doubt. But it sure isn't reliable when it comes to battery management.
That is why people around the world prefer symbian over android because it's quality reliability.
That is why people around the world prefer symbian over android because it's quality reliability.
How is it a weak platform? Devs are refusing to support it. The best boost Symbian got was Windows Mobile become end of line. Until then Windows Mobile was the preferred platform, but once that became unviable, they moved development back to Symbian. Skype for S60 only got good once they pulled it for WinMo. Internal features are important, but third party applications are too. There are a few things kicking around like Total Recall, Sports Tracker and Ovi Maps that make Symbian very useful for specific applications, but in general it's very weak. Battery life for Symbian phones is only good when not using any of the smartphone features, it's crap just like anything else once you start running apps - only BBOS has actually good smartphone battery management, so if you're going to make a battery life argument, Symbian isn't the platform to be making it with.
Symbian has also taken steps back, one of the greatest frustrations I have is being unable to do things I previously could. This comes both in the form of expired certificates due to developers leaving the platform, gets compounded with newer phones being unhackable so as to prevent overriding checking for certificate, and also in features being removed. How exactly a Symbian 9.1 phone can do things a Symbian 9.4 phone can't, boggles the mind, and they were doing this even earlier, with 9.0 E-Series devices only having mono audio to keep stereo audio in the realm of N-Series.
With the 6620 it was dead easy finding programs to enhance the functionality, and I found it preferable to my Palm m125 running OS4. With the E62 I followed it with, things went down, and only the massive battery (strangely, they're too stupid to repeat this as despite the size of the N900 it has the same battery as my 5230) and good keyboard made up for it. The BlackBerry Pearl 8100 I replaced it with was better in almost every way though. N95 was good again, but that was only shortly after it was released. 6 months after the iPhone 3G was out, all the cool stuff that was being worked on for it got abandoned. Subsequent S60v3 devices didn't have the hardware the N95 did, so a bunch of features that could have been used never ended up being implemented. Now with the 5230, it takes a great deal of patience to build it out with good software for decent functionality, and I still get frustrated by the fact that it runs out of RAM during multitasking. Only the 6620 never gave me out of memory errors, and I presume the N-Gage and N-Gage QD wouldn't either.
Symbian as a platform isn't quality or reliable. Nokia hardware is good quality and reliable. People don't prefer Symbian, they prefer Nokia.
Once MeeGo gets fully released, nobody with any choice in the matter will pick Symbian instead of MeeGo.
Symbian has also taken steps back, one of the greatest frustrations I have is being unable to do things I previously could. This comes both in the form of expired certificates due to developers leaving the platform, gets compounded with newer phones being unhackable so as to prevent overriding checking for certificate, and also in features being removed. How exactly a Symbian 9.1 phone can do things a Symbian 9.4 phone can't, boggles the mind, and they were doing this even earlier, with 9.0 E-Series devices only having mono audio to keep stereo audio in the realm of N-Series.
With the 6620 it was dead easy finding programs to enhance the functionality, and I found it preferable to my Palm m125 running OS4. With the E62 I followed it with, things went down, and only the massive battery (strangely, they're too stupid to repeat this as despite the size of the N900 it has the same battery as my 5230) and good keyboard made up for it. The BlackBerry Pearl 8100 I replaced it with was better in almost every way though. N95 was good again, but that was only shortly after it was released. 6 months after the iPhone 3G was out, all the cool stuff that was being worked on for it got abandoned. Subsequent S60v3 devices didn't have the hardware the N95 did, so a bunch of features that could have been used never ended up being implemented. Now with the 5230, it takes a great deal of patience to build it out with good software for decent functionality, and I still get frustrated by the fact that it runs out of RAM during multitasking. Only the 6620 never gave me out of memory errors, and I presume the N-Gage and N-Gage QD wouldn't either.
Symbian as a platform isn't quality or reliable. Nokia hardware is good quality and reliable. People don't prefer Symbian, they prefer Nokia.
Once MeeGo gets fully released, nobody with any choice in the matter will pick Symbian instead of MeeGo.
Symbian can indeed do many of the functions Android does, BUT does it do them as well as Android does them? NO!
I have both an SE X10 and Nokia N8 here. Got the N8 last week but guess what im using to write this post, and on a daily basis? Yep, the X10.
Symbia^3 has this incomplete Beta feeling to it:
-Extremely poor notification system, 3rd party apps dont even take advantage of it.
-Widgets, they are anywhere other than the Main homescreen e.g if i have a news or email widget in the 2nd or 3rd screen it, that widget sits there and doesnt update itself until i go to that screen, updating it may take 5-10mins which completely nullifys the whole dam point of widgets, in the Android i have widgets in every homescreen, i can set each widget to update at its own frequency regardless of which homescreen is the main. Widgets are just so poorly implemented its sad!
-Email, i have set up a Gmail account on both my Android and S3, both get push email, my X10 gets my emails sometimes 30-40mins before the N8 does, sometimes it never arrives on the N8 if my Mail widget is in the 2nd or 3rd homescreen.
-Social Networking. SHOCKING! The whole Social app's idea is genius but so awfuly implemented, its actualy a joke, it depends on the Web browser too much especialy for Twitter, the Android FB and Twitter apps whipe the floor with it.
Web browser- Still no option to open another tab, you have to go to a website then click a link that should open in another tab, totaly ridiculous, not to mention how slow and unstable it gets due to just one large site, in Android i can go bonkers, open multiple windows with multiple large sites and still browse so smoothly with no stability issues or slowdowns. I tried using Opera Mobile on the N8 but all it did was to eat up resources like crazy, im talking upwards of 50mb RAM, it brought me dangerously close to running out of RAM.
These are but a few things that ive had issues with, its not about flashy UI, its about things working PROPERLY and they just dont in Symbian^3, the hardware is decent, but the software is just not upto par, it ruins the experience, i was rather letdown.
Migo is right, in terms of the look and feel of S3 its not that different from S60v5, there are nice tweaks here and there e.g. long press, but otherwise still quite a poor effort, IMO.
Battery life is great in the N8, thanks to the fact that im hardly using it, and when i do i get frustrated.
EDIT:
So as i said, yes, Symbian can do many things Android can, but Android does them far better and is a lot more reliable. Symbian can promise all the updates they want , but Android already works very well, and is going to get far better next year, its not like Google are just sitting back.
I have both an SE X10 and Nokia N8 here. Got the N8 last week but guess what im using to write this post, and on a daily basis? Yep, the X10.
Symbia^3 has this incomplete Beta feeling to it:
-Extremely poor notification system, 3rd party apps dont even take advantage of it.
-Widgets, they are anywhere other than the Main homescreen e.g if i have a news or email widget in the 2nd or 3rd screen it, that widget sits there and doesnt update itself until i go to that screen, updating it may take 5-10mins which completely nullifys the whole dam point of widgets, in the Android i have widgets in every homescreen, i can set each widget to update at its own frequency regardless of which homescreen is the main. Widgets are just so poorly implemented its sad!
-Email, i have set up a Gmail account on both my Android and S3, both get push email, my X10 gets my emails sometimes 30-40mins before the N8 does, sometimes it never arrives on the N8 if my Mail widget is in the 2nd or 3rd homescreen.
-Social Networking. SHOCKING! The whole Social app's idea is genius but so awfuly implemented, its actualy a joke, it depends on the Web browser too much especialy for Twitter, the Android FB and Twitter apps whipe the floor with it.
Web browser- Still no option to open another tab, you have to go to a website then click a link that should open in another tab, totaly ridiculous, not to mention how slow and unstable it gets due to just one large site, in Android i can go bonkers, open multiple windows with multiple large sites and still browse so smoothly with no stability issues or slowdowns. I tried using Opera Mobile on the N8 but all it did was to eat up resources like crazy, im talking upwards of 50mb RAM, it brought me dangerously close to running out of RAM.
These are but a few things that ive had issues with, its not about flashy UI, its about things working PROPERLY and they just dont in Symbian^3, the hardware is decent, but the software is just not upto par, it ruins the experience, i was rather letdown.
Migo is right, in terms of the look and feel of S3 its not that different from S60v5, there are nice tweaks here and there e.g. long press, but otherwise still quite a poor effort, IMO.
Battery life is great in the N8, thanks to the fact that im hardly using it, and when i do i get frustrated.
EDIT:
So as i said, yes, Symbian can do many things Android can, but Android does them far better and is a lot more reliable. Symbian can promise all the updates they want , but Android already works very well, and is going to get far better next year, its not like Google are just sitting back.
pizzaman257
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Now this post right here is valid and solid. But theirs only some flaws that I've seen. Symbian is perhaps a reliable OS then Android. If you were to replace symbian 3 with android in the nokia n8, the battery life will be abysmal.
Android has been proven over and over that it is a battery hog and not reliable. It can only do you so much before you have to continously charge it alot. For an example, their are lots of android phones that use the exact same battery as blackberry and nokia which is li-lon. But the battery life still doesn't perform to its full potential because of what comes with android. People do like symbian, not everybody likes android. Some people prefer an OS that is basic and doesn't drain your battery like the android will.
As for meego, I don't know when that OS will come out. But the platform will most likely be the head leader for nokia and they'll keep the symbian 3 and also evolve it more.
Android has been proven over and over that it is a battery hog and not reliable. It can only do you so much before you have to continously charge it alot. For an example, their are lots of android phones that use the exact same battery as blackberry and nokia which is li-lon. But the battery life still doesn't perform to its full potential because of what comes with android. People do like symbian, not everybody likes android. Some people prefer an OS that is basic and doesn't drain your battery like the android will.
As for meego, I don't know when that OS will come out. But the platform will most likely be the head leader for nokia and they'll keep the symbian 3 and also evolve it more.
Girl Is Lost
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Im no fanboy, i was a Symbian fanboy, but after having owned both the 5800 and N8 i realised being a fanboy disadvantages you, and makes you come back to arguements with a childish response like yours.
I like how you use the word 'flashy' as it shows complete lack of knowledge of what you're talking about, it shows in all your replys here and in Android forum.
I like how you use the word 'flashy' as it shows complete lack of knowledge of what you're talking about, it shows in all your replys here and in Android forum.
Right on Polo!!!:2thumbs:
I had one N73, two N95-4's, Three N95-3's, Two N81's, Three 5800's, Two N97 mini's, Two X-6's, Two E71's and will never own any Nokia's again, software was buggy, UI was a nightmare and firmware support for the NAM phone's was non existent, so I think that would qualify me to say that Nokia is a joke in America but I would not mind seeing the N8 make it but it is nothing that I will ever try, I am done with nokia and will stick with Android.
Maybe you should try a Android before you pass judgement on Android there Sivrag, otherwise you will just be a uninformed fanboy who has drivel for opinion's!!!!
I had one N73, two N95-4's, Three N95-3's, Two N81's, Three 5800's, Two N97 mini's, Two X-6's, Two E71's and will never own any Nokia's again, software was buggy, UI was a nightmare and firmware support for the NAM phone's was non existent, so I think that would qualify me to say that Nokia is a joke in America but I would not mind seeing the N8 make it but it is nothing that I will ever try, I am done with nokia and will stick with Android.
Maybe you should try a Android before you pass judgement on Android there Sivrag, otherwise you will just be a uninformed fanboy who has drivel for opinion's!!!!
Im sorry, when do wigets and apps make a phone a smartphone? Yes apps and widgets are "cool" but how effective are the apps? how many apps do ios and android have that are usable or effective? I played with the iphone and htc desire and when i was using the desire, 90% percent of the apps, FAIL in what they provide. Yes it is easier to use a app then a web browser, but it non-sense when ppl are saying these devices are great based on the app that doesnt work most of the time. Symbian is a phone first and as crappy of a selection they have compared to ios and android, they blow other platforms away in there usage. Symbian/Nokia uses low ram and chip, but android? COME ON? what are they really needing 1ghz to pump out a simple app. If it was a real smartphone with real "programs" that would require such power then i understand but it doesnt. See how reliable your "smartphone" is when in a area where theres no connection
jplunks
Unfortunetly the N8 went against the phone 1st part, it keeps dropping out of network where i am, my 5800 didnt do that nor does the X10. The N8 performs in areas where theres great signal but the moment it becomes patchy it simply cant hold it at all, its been the worst Nokia ive had signal wise, my 5800 and N81 cope very well.
Unfortunetly the N8 went against the phone 1st part, it keeps dropping out of network where i am, my 5800 didnt do that nor does the X10. The N8 performs in areas where theres great signal but the moment it becomes patchy it simply cant hold it at all, its been the worst Nokia ive had signal wise, my 5800 and N81 cope very well.