The Beatles

that seems so wrong. I mean, afterall, the song does say strawberry fielRAB forever. Forever. Not till whenever we decide to close, forever. What has the world come to?
 
not all music is corrupt and full to the brim with studio electronics. a lot of music hyped by the media is yes, and some banRAB even use electronics in a progressive format (mars volta, radiohead etc), theres a lot of underground music thats fresh and raw (the garage rock scene) yet nobody knows of some of these banRAB because they are not commercialised in the way the punk-pop and nu metal banRAB are.
 
I disagree either way, whether talking about the Beatles years only, or including their solo years.

Lennon's solo career was anemic. The Plastic Ono Band SUCKED.

Lennon fanboys love to claim that he dominated the songwriting in the early Beatles days, but that's pure BS. Most of the songs on their debut album that turned out to be hits, were written primarily by Paul:

Love Me Do
P.S. I Love You
I Saw Her Standing There

"Please Please Me" was mostly John's song, and his only relevant one on the entire album.
 
They can call me an elitist antiquitist all they want but, Peppers is my favorite album. I don't dislike a single track on it.

I would order the songs like so.

A Day in the Life
Fixing a Hole
Lucy In The Sky With DiamonRAB
Within You Without You
Lovely Rita
When I'm Sixty-Four
With A Little Help From My FrienRAB
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
Good Morning Good Morning
She's Leaving Home
Getting Better
Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite!
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)
 
Damn, thought you would walk right into that one. Fine, maybe your English-interpretation skills aren't that off the mark, but what about your musical taste? I had a look at your Top Album List and I'm quite certain I wouldn't find an appealing album the whole way through it. So my follow up question is: "Was it one big joke?" You know, something like a pun on the word 'top,' which was perhaps supposed to mean 'worst **** in the history of ****?’
 
Yep, which explains why I'm the one not backing up my argument and resorting to petty comments and assumptions.



I never said I didn't like Help!



It's my fourth favorite Beatles album, as I said earlier.



Agreed, which is why every Beatles fan I know says Rubber Soul is where the changes begin to appear.



Lyrics like that would never have appeared on Help!



Music has to be complex to be innovative?



Sorry, one song doesn't discredit a whole album.



Wayfarer basically said all that needed to be said. The only thing I'd add is the ByrRAB/Bob Dylan influence that began to appear there is something that you wouldn't have found on Help! either. Also I'd consider The Word a psychedelic song and even if you don't you can't deny the effect Lennon used on the piano in it was extremely influential in the genre.
 

John Lennon,

Beatlemania began England in the autumn of 1962
when the Beatles released Love me Do .
The Beatles made their first ever TV appearance on October 17th. 1962 in Manchester.
'Please Please Me' was released in the spring 1963
then in May they released ... 'From Me to You.'
In July 1964 .... 'She Loves You ' was released and by then Beatlemania was becoming a phenomenon sweeping the country, the Beatles were mobbed wherever they went, every venue sold out with masses of screaming girls drowning out their singing.
There had never been anything like the Beatles and the mass hysteria that they inspired among their growing army of fans.
Their pictures were in every newspaper and magazine, their TV , radio and live appearances were major events, eagerly awaited by the fans.
The Beatle songs were so fresh and new, 'Please please me,' 'She loves you'.....etc there was an excitement and energy in these pop songs that was unique , almost magical ......and two of the Beatles, John and Paul, were writing them !

The Beatles were young, good looking guys with a disarming humour, they were getting rich and famous with their music and having a ball along the way.
Suddenly the British showbiz world of Alma Cogan, Cliff and the Shadows, Tommy Steele, Lonnie Donegan etc, appeared old fashioned and out of date.
The Beatles were a breath of fresh air, something new and different, like the beginning of a New Age.
1963 was a fabulous year for the Beatles, it was the year they achieved nationwide fame and a unique status in British showbiz. There had never been such mass hysteria and mass worship for a singing group before.

Their status was confirmed on the night of Noveraber 4th 1963 when they appeared at the Royal Variety Performance in front of the Queen Mother , Princess Margaret and the show biz elite.
It was a glittering occasion, televised to the nation ...... and the Beatles stole the show !

All this excitement and musical innovation was going on in the UK, meanwhile, across the Atlantic, the Americans were blissfully unaware of the existence of the Beatles.
America had Elvis, The Beach boys, the Ronnettes, Chuck Berry, they had a hot music scene, without doubt the hottest on the planet.
That fateful day.... Noveraber 22 1963 ...... came around, that fateful day when time stood still, that dreadful day when President Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas.
It was a world shaking event that traumatised America and shocked the entire world.

In late Deceraber the Beatles released ' I want to hold your hand.' The boys had done it again and it was yet another Lennon / MacCartney composition........ was there no end to their amazing talent ?
'I want to Hold Your Hand' is significant because it was really the song that broke the Beatles in America . It became the fastest selling British release in America and by February 1st 1964 it had reached No 1 in the American Billboard charts, (selling 2 million copies along the way.)

February 7th 1964 ......... the Beatles land at Kennedy Airport to be greeted by 3000 screaming fans.
The fan hysteria and idol worship had followed them across the Atlantic...... only ..... this time the hysteria was on a massive American scale.
America, that mighty continent, that home of the brave.......... was also the home of pop music, Hollywood and mass consumerism.
America was rich, its thriving economy the envy of the world. The post war baby boomers were coming of age and they wanted to party.

The Beatles mesmerised America with their music and style when they appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show. They played before an audience of 73 million ! ........... this was the big time, the big , big time !
It seemed that the long years of touring round seedy venues in Britain and Haraburg had all been just a preparation for this moment.
The Beatles were broadcasting to the American Colossus they were there on TV in in every city, in every home and they were well prepared..... and they had a fabulous catalogue of songs to sell to their new American fans.

I can t help thinking that it was really John Lennon who generated all this hysteria on two continents.
I feel that so many of the early songs are his alone, songs like ' I want to hold your hand ' and 'She loves You' for example.
I don t think Paul had very much to do with them.
John was the mastermind behind Beatlemania in the early days, he was the driving force , his genius supplied the rocket fuel behind the Beatles meteoric rise to fame.

Later, during the calmer, hippie days of Sergeant Pepper and 1967 , the power had shifted and Paul became the driving force behind the Beatles with his clever, innovative songs, songs like 'Fixing a Hole,' 'Meter Maid', and ' With a little help from my frienRAB'.
Songs that were so different from the earthy, gutsy, visceral songs of John Lennon , whose burning genius generated the phenomena known as Beatlemania !
 
I can appreciate/understand why people love them, it's just that they aren't really for me. I can't stand people who, when you say you don't like banRAB like The Beatles, The Rolling Stones etc., respond with "you mustn't really like music then".

No. Just because banRAB like that have influenced a lot of music that is around today, it doesn't mean that the influence is reflected directly in their sound.
 
I don't have to imagine, they were good guitar players.



Thats not a genre, and his stuff with The Beatles was rarely political. In fact, their most political songs were written by George, not John.
 
Hey TOOL puts the beatles to Shame! Tool's music is art at its finest it isnt a quick 3 min. jingle that you tap your foot too its an interacitve experince IF you understand it. Maynard James Keenan is one of the best song writers and vocalist of all times, he is UNIQUE as FUC and Danny Carey is one of the best drummers that ever lived. Also Adam Jones is mindblowing at the guitar and Justin acctually know how to PLAY the bass to the T.
 
I really have to correct and debunk the inaccurate things that MHDTV
and some others on here have said about The Beatles. Even, Ozzy Osbourne said in an online 2002 Bender Magazine interview that The Beatles Are The Greatest Band To Ever Walk The Earth! He's been a huge fan since he's been a teenager and he says not loving The Beatles is like not loving oxogen! The Rolling Stones were very good frienRAB and fans of The Beatles and Mick Jagger was at 4 Beatles recording sessions and Keith RicharRAB was at 2 of them with them! Also,The Beatles even wrote one of The Rolling Stones first hits with the song,I Wanna Be You're Man in late 1963. As for the other inaccurate comments that some people say The Beatles didn't even stay together for 2 decades,well they didn't have to because they did about 50 years worth of innovative,creative,diverse,prolific great critically acclaimed songs and albums in just a remarkable 8 year recording career! The Beatles are in The Song Writing Hall Of Fame & The Vocal Hall of Fame,and As The All Music Guide says in their excellent Beatles biography,"So much has been said and written about The Beatles and their story is so mythic in it's sweep that it's difficult to summarize their career without restating cliche's that have already been digested by tens of millions of rock fans ,to start with the obvious,they were the greatest and most influential act of the rock era ,and introduced more innovations into popular music than any other rock band of the 20th century." "As vocalists John Lennon & Paul McCartney were among the best and most expressive in rock and the groups harmonies were intricate and exhillirating." And music critics as well as brilliant classical composer Leonard Bernstein called John & Paul the most brilliant song writers of the 20th century when they were still a band .


And The Beatles playing live,they sounded pretty good playing live considering that when they were playing in 1963,1964,1965,and 1966 the sound systems back then were very limited and primitive,they only had 100 watt amplifiers,no feedback monitors so they couldn't even hear themselves play and sing,yet they amazingly played in tune and in sync anyway,and at the August 1965 Shea Stadium concert which was the first big outdoor rock concert with over 55,000 fans,they were plugged into the PA system that they announce baseball games with plus the screaming crowRAB drowing out their great music! Can you imagine The Rolling Stones and The Who playing on these very limited primitive sound systems? They wouldn't have sounded much better! Thats why they gave up touring,because they were serious music artists,composers,and musicians and they wanted their great music to be heard and valued. It would be like Beethoven playing on these limited primitive sound systems and screaming crowRAB!

Also they were now writing music that was too complex to reproduce on stage at that time. On the roof top concert in The Let It Be Film,they sounded great,because by January 1969 the sound systems had improved somewhat(although not anywhere near the 1970's,1980's,1990's and especially today's!) and they had changed and people had changed so there were no more screaming crowRAB so they could be heard.When I was a teenager I met 3 people who saw The Beatles in concert two of them were teachers who saw them in 1966 and he and she told me they were great,and my cousin saw them at age 16 at The Baltimore Colsieum in 1964 the year before I was born,and she said they were great. Former Kiss guitarist and grammy winning producer Bob Kulick who made the heavy metal Beatles tribute album Butchering The Beatles last year,says in an online interview,that he saw The Beatles at Shea Stadium in 1966 and that he could only make out pieces of the songs because of the screaming,but he could make out the songs Baby's In Black and Paperback Writer and he said they sounded amazing! He also calls The Beatles The Greatest Rock Band Ever!

And MHDTV what you said about them not being good guitar players,
George Harrison at only age 14 would stay up playing his guitar until he got all of the chorRAB exactly right and his fingers wer e bleeding! And One of The Beatles engineers Geoff Emerick says that in early 1966 when The Beatles were recording John's song I'm Only Sleeping,George Harrison played backwarRAB guitar the most difficult way possible even though he could have taken an easy way,and it took him 6 hours just to do the guitar overdubs! He then made it doubly difficult by adding even more distorted gitars and Geoff says this was all George's idea and that he did all of the playing!

Eric Clapton said in a 1992 interview when he and George were asked what they admired about each other during their Japan tour,that George is a fantastic slide guitar player. He and George were very good frienRAB and they obviously admired and respected each others guitar playing and George played guitar on Cream's song Badge. Roger McGuinn of The ByrRAB says The Beatles used unusual folk rock chorRAB in their early music and that they invented folf rock without even knowing it! He started to play a 12 string guitar after he saw and heard George Harrison playing one in The Beatles great film A Hard Day's Night in early 1964. In an online Eric Clapton interview called,Eric Clapton In His Own WorRAB he says that John Lennon was a pretty good guitar player and he would have known since he played live in concert with John as a meraber of John's 1969 Plastic Ono Band!

On an excellent site called,The Evolution Of Rock Bass Playing McCartney Style by Dennis Alstrand Stanley Clarke,Will Lee,Billy Sheehan,Sting,George Martin,and John Lennon are all quoted saying what a great,melodic,influential bass guitar player Paul McCartney has always been! The 1992 Rolling Stone Album Guide calls Paul a remarkable bass player and rightfully calls John & Paul the 2 greatest song writers in rock history! And in an online interview with Bass Player Magazine from 2005,Wilco's bass player John Stirratt was asked which bass players have had the most impact on your playing and he said Paul MCartney is one of the greatest bass players of all time! He then says if you listen to what he was tracking in the studio it's unbelievable,with his tone and musicality he was a huge influence,he covered all of his harmonic resposibilities really well but his lines were absolutely melodic and inventive.


Both Phil Collins and Max Weinberg both Beatles fans and both praise Ringo's drumming and Phil Collins says that Ringo's great drumming on A Day In The Life can't even be repeated even by him! Also on Rankopedia The Beatles are # 1 Greatest Rock Band,# 1 Greatest Most Innovative Rock Band,John &Paul are # 1 Greatest Rock Song Writers,John & Paul are on The Greatest Rock Male Vocalist list,and Paul McCartney is # 2 after John Enwistle as Greatest Rock Bass Players,John Paul Jones is # 6,and Bill Wynman is # 20! And on Digitaldreamdoor where many musicians post,The Beatles are # 1 Greatest Rock Artists,John & Paul are # 1 Greatest Rock Song Writers,they are both on The Greatest Rock Male Vocalists list,and Paul McCartney is # 8 out of 100 Greatest Rock Bass Players,John Paul Jones is # 21,and Bill Wynman is # 95! George Harrison is # 54 On The Greatest Rock Guitarists out of over 100.


Also check out Ken's Classic Rock n Roll Site he also runs a Rolling Stones & John Lennon fan site. And he made a Top 10 List and voted and the fans voted. He voted John &Paul # 2 after Bob Dylan as Greatest Rock Song Writers,the fans voted them # 1! He voted Paul McCartney # 2 after John Entwistle as Greatest Rock Bass Player,the fans voted Paul # 3. He voted John Lennon # 2 after Keith RicharRAB as Greatest Rock Rhythm Guitarist,and the fans voted John in a tie with Jimi Hendrix and Brian Jones at # 4 ! He voted John Lennon # 1 in a tie with Elvis as Greatest Male Rock Vocalist and the fans voted John # 1,he voted Paul # 6 and the fans voted him # 7. Ken says Darn The Beatles were one great group in his review of The Beatles album 1967-1970,and he also says that John on Get Back showed why he should have played lead guitar more often because he did such a good job! He also said that John on their hard rocking great 1968 single Revolution,played one of the first and best acid guitar parts.And he also said that John played a pretty good slide guitar on George's For Your Blue. And he says in his review of The Beatles 1962-1966,that if you don't love or at least like The Beatles and their music than you are not a true rock fan and more than likely will never get it.


And by the way I have read some people saying on message boarRAB that they don't think The Rolling Stones were the best technical musicians,and many even some fans have said they haven't done anything good in 35 years, and that their overrated and I have also found many people saying they hate or don't like The Rolling Stones and many people say the only Rolling Stones song they like is Paint It Black! Oh and by the way,in every major poll of The Beatles vs The Rolling Stones,The Beatles always win as # 1 even on sites and message boarRAB that are not Beatles fan sites!
 
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