Freedom Junky
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Right now i'm 24.0 KBs the highest ever was 26.2 and that was only about 10 times so sad !!!!!!!!
That's it...I'm ready for movies!!
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Hiya- some were unsure what codecs meant so-
FYI There are 2 types of codecs.
1. Lossy
2. Losless
1. Lossy codecs compress the video AND cut information therefore quality is lost, however you can get TINY file sizes. An audio comparison is .WAV and .MP3 WAV is 10 times the size of MP3 however MP3 is lossy so quality is lost. However depending on the bit rate you encode at you can get quality that the human ear can't tell apart from the orginal wav- but with files a 10th of the size.!! It's compressed and information the human ear can't hear is removed.
2. Lossless compress the video to make the file smaller however no information is actually got rid of so there is NO loss of quality just smaller file sizes. However as you can imagine these files are still much bigger than the ones encoded with a lossy codec.
iiicRuled
FYI There are 2 types of codecs.
1. Lossy
2. Losless
1. Lossy codecs compress the video AND cut information therefore quality is lost, however you can get TINY file sizes. An audio comparison is .WAV and .MP3 WAV is 10 times the size of MP3 however MP3 is lossy so quality is lost. However depending on the bit rate you encode at you can get quality that the human ear can't tell apart from the orginal wav- but with files a 10th of the size.!! It's compressed and information the human ear can't hear is removed.
2. Lossless compress the video to make the file smaller however no information is actually got rid of so there is NO loss of quality just smaller file sizes. However as you can imagine these files are still much bigger than the ones encoded with a lossy codec.
iiicRuled
Is there some keyword that will let one differentiate which content is Kinoma-playable? I've tried many searches on my P2P client with different keywords, to no avail. WinMX currently is a PC only operation, so as a Mac guy I'm S.O.L. ClieFLIX was so cool. They had this library of downloadables and updated it and all was good with the world. But times have changed. 
SoS: You know, my GF just got a new tablet PC with the wireless keyboard, and I was playing around with it...I have to admit that it's kinda cool. I found myself wishing Apple made such a device. Or that I could run Mac OS on it. The burdens we must carry.
As for Palm OS 6, we'll just have to see. It doesn't appear that the next hardware release will carry it (see this thread.) Sincerely I hope that we'll be able to upgrade to OS 6 when it comes out as I'm planning on getting the T|3 and I'd like to keep it for a while.
I guess time will tell.
POL9A
SoS: You know, my GF just got a new tablet PC with the wireless keyboard, and I was playing around with it...I have to admit that it's kinda cool. I found myself wishing Apple made such a device. Or that I could run Mac OS on it. The burdens we must carry.
As for Palm OS 6, we'll just have to see. It doesn't appear that the next hardware release will carry it (see this thread.) Sincerely I hope that we'll be able to upgrade to OS 6 when it comes out as I'm planning on getting the T|3 and I'd like to keep it for a while.
I guess time will tell.
POL9A
kynshiro99
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That's actually a good question. I'd never thought of that, I just assumed that I was the last person on Earth to get DSL (except for my mom's who could really care less.)
Well, iiicrules, the good news is that your movie will be a mercifully small file size.
So, you could download it, convert it, and then upload it right before you take your 4-week paid vacation to Thailand and by the time you get back it'll just be finishing uploading.
See, I'm looking out for you.
POL9A, back to normalcy.
Well, iiicrules, the good news is that your movie will be a mercifully small file size.
So, you could download it, convert it, and then upload it right before you take your 4-week paid vacation to Thailand and by the time you get back it'll just be finishing uploading.
See, I'm looking out for you.
POL9A, back to normalcy.
I think.
What info can y'all share with me regarding movie players for the TT? Do I need any particular amount of space on the handheld's memory? Will it run from the card (128MB SD)? Do I need a bigger card? (Please say yes. My girlfriend needs the equivalent of a doctor's note for me to buy that 512MB Lexar card I've been eyeing. ) Do I need a converter to make my own movies Palm-compatible? Are there movies/TV shows out there that I can download? It'd be nice to download the latest "Simpsons" in case I miss it and watch it later on my TT.
Is the speaker on the TT good enough for video playback or should I just use the headset jack with my headphones?
Are the video players like e-book readers in that only some e-books are available for certain readers, are only some videos available for certain video players?
I tried a search and only just got enough info for me to ask the ??'s.
Thanks in advance.
POL9A
What info can y'all share with me regarding movie players for the TT? Do I need any particular amount of space on the handheld's memory? Will it run from the card (128MB SD)? Do I need a bigger card? (Please say yes. My girlfriend needs the equivalent of a doctor's note for me to buy that 512MB Lexar card I've been eyeing. ) Do I need a converter to make my own movies Palm-compatible? Are there movies/TV shows out there that I can download? It'd be nice to download the latest "Simpsons" in case I miss it and watch it later on my TT.
Is the speaker on the TT good enough for video playback or should I just use the headset jack with my headphones?
Are the video players like e-book readers in that only some e-books are available for certain readers, are only some videos available for certain video players?
I tried a search and only just got enough info for me to ask the ??'s.
Thanks in advance.
POL9A
tweekduece
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I don't really understand this exactly. But I think you're saying "How are you going to upload the file to the net, and I have a 56K modem which runs at 19.2KBs". Hmmmmm.
Please can we DO SOME MATHS HERE!
How am I gonna put it on the net? By UPLOADING it. Or e-mailing it to PrideOfLions who very kindly said he'll put it in his webspace. 56K modems do allow you to upload y'know, even if it'll take me half an hour to send the 5MBish file.
19.2Kbs is not possible. 56K modems deliver a maximum of 56Kilobits per second. 8 bit in a byte, so therefore 56/8=7. In other words the ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM download speed on a 56K modem, is 7Kilobytes per second. In reality this is around 4-5.
Yes, there is compression that some downloads/browsers use, but that doesn't mean you transfer more then 7Kilobytes a second. It's just 7Kilobytes of compressed data which when upcompressed may equate to more. In the case of codecs, the files are usually just about as compressed as is possible.
The reason you may see higher rates when downloading, is that part of the file may have already been downloaded, and the downloading bar just catches up, instead of jumping to the real % that it is at. This happens when you've started and cancelled a download before, if the partially downloaded file is still there, and it also happens becuase while you locate a folder to put the download in, the file can begin downloading in the background.....
Anyway, 6Mb down, 20 to go!
iiicRuled
Please can we DO SOME MATHS HERE!
How am I gonna put it on the net? By UPLOADING it. Or e-mailing it to PrideOfLions who very kindly said he'll put it in his webspace. 56K modems do allow you to upload y'know, even if it'll take me half an hour to send the 5MBish file.
19.2Kbs is not possible. 56K modems deliver a maximum of 56Kilobits per second. 8 bit in a byte, so therefore 56/8=7. In other words the ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM download speed on a 56K modem, is 7Kilobytes per second. In reality this is around 4-5.
Yes, there is compression that some downloads/browsers use, but that doesn't mean you transfer more then 7Kilobytes a second. It's just 7Kilobytes of compressed data which when upcompressed may equate to more. In the case of codecs, the files are usually just about as compressed as is possible.
The reason you may see higher rates when downloading, is that part of the file may have already been downloaded, and the downloading bar just catches up, instead of jumping to the real % that it is at. This happens when you've started and cancelled a download before, if the partially downloaded file is still there, and it also happens becuase while you locate a folder to put the download in, the file can begin downloading in the background.....
Anyway, 6Mb down, 20 to go!
iiicRuled
harajukubarbiie<3
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I'm using Kinoma Player. I converted a few short movies w/ sound taken with my Olympus digital camera using Kinoma Producer.
I also converted Van Halen's music video "Dreams - Blue Angels" which lasts 4 minutes 53 seconds and takes 24.1 MB on my SD card. It plays beautifully and sounds great! ... BUT, the Real Video file of the same thing is only 2.86 MB! Obviously, better compression would be good. I'm hoping the MP3 player for the TT that will be released soon by Real will allow Real Video files to be played. That would allow entire movies to fit on the SD cards.
I had also tried TealMovie and it was OK, too, but their support never got back to me with a problem I encountered with compressed sound, so after the trial period expired, I deleted it.
The speaker in the TT is just OK. Music and sound it much better using headphones plugged into the TT's stereo phone jack.
OldBlue
I also converted Van Halen's music video "Dreams - Blue Angels" which lasts 4 minutes 53 seconds and takes 24.1 MB on my SD card. It plays beautifully and sounds great! ... BUT, the Real Video file of the same thing is only 2.86 MB! Obviously, better compression would be good. I'm hoping the MP3 player for the TT that will be released soon by Real will allow Real Video files to be played. That would allow entire movies to fit on the SD cards.
I had also tried TealMovie and it was OK, too, but their support never got back to me with a problem I encountered with compressed sound, so after the trial period expired, I deleted it.
The speaker in the TT is just OK. Music and sound it much better using headphones plugged into the TT's stereo phone jack.
OldBlue
Pride of Lions- I don't know if you are looking for Kinoma player because I haven't read the entire thread due to it's length!! But if you are here is the link:
http://www.kinoma.com/
The website has both the player for the TT (free) and the converter (there is a version for PC or MAC) (however only a trial you have to pay for the full version..)
iiicRuled
http://www.kinoma.com/
The website has both the player for the TT (free) and the converter (there is a version for PC or MAC) (however only a trial you have to pay for the full version..)
iiicRuled
iiicRules: Bless you, Citizen! I've been really displaced even since the word "codec" was introduced to me. Now it all comes together.
So, what does one need to introduce to one's conversion software such that we get these smaller file sizes we've been clamoring for? Do we tell Kinoma to get-with-it and exhibit a new version (for free download, of course) of their Producer that has these miracle codecs? Or can we (as normal individuals) kind of pre-convert our files with these water-to-wine codecs before sending them to Kinoma Producer? Or, is there another conversion software altogether that has these give-a-man-a-fish-feed-him-for-a-day, teach-him-to-fish-feed-him-for life marvelous lossy/losless thingymabob's?
The skies are parting. The fog is lifting. Smaller file sizes are within our grasp.
POL9A
So, what does one need to introduce to one's conversion software such that we get these smaller file sizes we've been clamoring for? Do we tell Kinoma to get-with-it and exhibit a new version (for free download, of course) of their Producer that has these miracle codecs? Or can we (as normal individuals) kind of pre-convert our files with these water-to-wine codecs before sending them to Kinoma Producer? Or, is there another conversion software altogether that has these give-a-man-a-fish-feed-him-for-a-day, teach-him-to-fish-feed-him-for life marvelous lossy/losless thingymabob's?
The skies are parting. The fog is lifting. Smaller file sizes are within our grasp.
POL9A
sasha.azoqa
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Using Kinoma Producer you can take any audio or video file and convert it to Kinoma's standards. Once converted you can save the file on the TT or SD Card. I have a Matrix Reloaded Teaser at 4.5MB (1min 18.7sec) and Star Trek Nemesis at 9.0 MB (2min).
So if you do the math, lets say a episode of the Simpson's is 20min when you cut out the trailer and using the above times and sizes 1min = 4MB, that would make the Episode 80MB. While your at it through in a Enterprise Episode to at 40MIN = 160MB.
No this does not include PDF files, Documents, Music files (using PocketTunes), and other items.
If she's your 'girlfriend' why do you have to beg? Sounds more like a wife or significate other that controls all the money in the relation ship. IMHO
So if you do the math, lets say a episode of the Simpson's is 20min when you cut out the trailer and using the above times and sizes 1min = 4MB, that would make the Episode 80MB. While your at it through in a Enterprise Episode to at 40MIN = 160MB.
No this does not include PDF files, Documents, Music files (using PocketTunes), and other items.
If she's your 'girlfriend' why do you have to beg? Sounds more like a wife or significate other that controls all the money in the relation ship. IMHO
anyone have some Kinoma movie files or trailers they can e-mail me so I can show them off on my tungsten to my co-workers...I think they will be amazed. My e-mail address is [email protected]
really appreciate it
Bob
really appreciate it
Bob
...has anyone noticed how the recent version of Kinoma Producer won't let us save the converted file to anything but the handheld's RAM or the SD card?
I miss the ability to save the converted .pdb to the desktop.
Until such time that we...
1) ...have the ability to watch unconverted video on our handheld's and cut this third-party stranglehold, and...
2) ...have affordable access to 512MB and 1GB SD cards,...
...I fear that we'll just have to rely on each other to trudge the road to happy destiny.
POL9A
I miss the ability to save the converted .pdb to the desktop.
Until such time that we...
1) ...have the ability to watch unconverted video on our handheld's and cut this third-party stranglehold, and...
2) ...have affordable access to 512MB and 1GB SD cards,...
...I fear that we'll just have to rely on each other to trudge the road to happy destiny.
POL9A
POL:
Yep! I just got hooked
Well you could try using Splashphoto. I believe they have a Mac version of their desktop software too. Just categorize all your images. Though that would mean lots and lots of files. Alternately, VirtualPC and use ComicGuru.. though I don't know how well that works. The converter is pretty simple to use too. One last thing you can do is send over the comic and have me convert it for you.
I was tempted to buy an iBook, but then I would have to get all new software. New OS, new apps, new everything. Though it is kinda cool how the underlying OS is based on FreeBSD...
Yep! I just got hooked
Well you could try using Splashphoto. I believe they have a Mac version of their desktop software too. Just categorize all your images. Though that would mean lots and lots of files. Alternately, VirtualPC and use ComicGuru.. though I don't know how well that works. The converter is pretty simple to use too. One last thing you can do is send over the comic and have me convert it for you.
I was tempted to buy an iBook, but then I would have to get all new software. New OS, new apps, new everything. Though it is kinda cool how the underlying OS is based on FreeBSD...
colleencisneros
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It won't make any diference if you compress the movies with codec before sending them to kinoma unfortunatly as kinoma will just uncompress them and then redo them with it's own codec. What we need to do it's keep asking kinoma
A- Why the don;t have any decent codecs in thier software and
B- Why they insist on charging so much for a converter having been so nice and donated us the player.............
WE WANT Mpeg 2
WE WANT Mpeg 4
WE WANT DivX
WE WANT WMV
WE WANT ANY OTHER DECENT CODEC THERE ARE IF YOU (KINOMA) EXPECT US TO PAY LOADS FOR YOUR SOFTWARE!!!!!!!!
A- Why the don;t have any decent codecs in thier software and
B- Why they insist on charging so much for a converter having been so nice and donated us the player.............
WE WANT Mpeg 2
WE WANT Mpeg 4
WE WANT DivX
WE WANT WMV
WE WANT ANY OTHER DECENT CODEC THERE ARE IF YOU (KINOMA) EXPECT US TO PAY LOADS FOR YOUR SOFTWARE!!!!!!!!
Last Man Standing
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Wmv (or ASF) might be a bit hard to get
slm2fly
Go to Kinoma's web site (www.kinoma.com) and menu your way to their sample panorama and video page. There are several files for download. (I like the one of the Porsche Boxster taking a twisty road.) Also, on that page is a link to Sony Entertainment, where you can get movie trailers for Kinoma Player. I downloaded "Men In Black II" and "Spiderman."
I'd send you some of my movies, but I don't think you'd want one of my mother telling me to turn off the #$&^%$# camera!
OldBlue
Go to Kinoma's web site (www.kinoma.com) and menu your way to their sample panorama and video page. There are several files for download. (I like the one of the Porsche Boxster taking a twisty road.) Also, on that page is a link to Sony Entertainment, where you can get movie trailers for Kinoma Player. I downloaded "Men In Black II" and "Spiderman."
I'd send you some of my movies, but I don't think you'd want one of my mother telling me to turn off the #$&^%$# camera!
OldBlue
micheleann62
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Well there's always MMPlayer... Plays DivX, etc
I've almost given up on the Tungsten T for anything more than iSilo and a small PDA I can carry around with me.
I bought an iPAQ 3635 the other day for a very reasonable price, and although it's "huge" compared with the T, I can play videos on it, email, icq, msn on it. And all at the same time
And I hate to say it, but the audio quality on the T (while good) pales in comparison with the iPAQ. The audio on the iPAQ has a greater range. For example on the T, the audio will sound tinny, and very soft, but on the iPAQ, it's loud, and the audio is more "full". My only complaint with the iPAQ is that it's TOO LOUD.
If I ever do get tired of Pocket PC 2002, I can always switch over to Linux on the PDA. It seems promising.
The included sleeve for the iPAQ has Bluetooth, so I don't really lose any functionality there. I think I'll be picking up a PC Card sleeve with the external battery so I can put in a wifi card and the larger and cheaper CF cards in at the same time.
CF cards are much cheaper than SD now. It's much more economical to use those to store movies, etc.
I've almost given up on the Tungsten T for anything more than iSilo and a small PDA I can carry around with me.
I bought an iPAQ 3635 the other day for a very reasonable price, and although it's "huge" compared with the T, I can play videos on it, email, icq, msn on it. And all at the same time
And I hate to say it, but the audio quality on the T (while good) pales in comparison with the iPAQ. The audio on the iPAQ has a greater range. For example on the T, the audio will sound tinny, and very soft, but on the iPAQ, it's loud, and the audio is more "full". My only complaint with the iPAQ is that it's TOO LOUD.
If I ever do get tired of Pocket PC 2002, I can always switch over to Linux on the PDA. It seems promising.
The included sleeve for the iPAQ has Bluetooth, so I don't really lose any functionality there. I think I'll be picking up a PC Card sleeve with the external battery so I can put in a wifi card and the larger and cheaper CF cards in at the same time.
CF cards are much cheaper than SD now. It's much more economical to use those to store movies, etc.