Terminator Salvation #1: "...You Think You're Human? ...I am Human..."

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You mean besides the Trepidation from Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, the fact that alot of people can't hurtle over the ideal that McG is directing, Bale's "Moment" or his "Batman/Baddass Voice", and the majority belief that if its not directed my James Cameron then its no good as a Terminator film (I.E., Cannon)? Who knows, but, frankly, I'm glad its being better recieved internationally than it is here in the US. I didn't think Bale's performance was boring; Its not his strongest, as I said before, but given what the character has to deal with, I wasn't bothered. He was sort of like his mother in Judgement Day, only instead of being driven crazy by what would happen (because he's living it), I think most of that "anger" came from the fact that none of the higher-ups were listening to him taking him seriously.
 
I liked the movie and CB .....love him. Wonder why the movie got such a bad rap :confused: It was well made...tho' a little hard to follow if you didn't know the background.... but still .. I am glad I watched it :cool:
 
[sp]I love how at that scene came on, as soon as you see the feet there was a gasp all round the cinema as people realized who it was. :lol:[/sp]
 
I need to see this, i also i am liking Anton Yelchin ever since i saw him on Star Trek
 
Him and Kyle Reese were awesome :D Great acting these two, I love their scenes together.

Sorry but Christian Bale bored me :( I understand his role is supposed to be this hard, stressed soldier but his grim expression most of the time was just so tiring to watch.

[sp]I thought it was Arnold Schwarzenegger for real in the confrontation scene with John at SkyNet :lol: Kudos to the effects team for doing a great job[/sp]
 
The movie was good. I liked it a lot. I liked Marcus. Even though his insides were machine he was 100% human. Christian Bale played a good John Connor.
 
Marcus was amazing! :nod:

Finally watched it! :yay:

JR - Fantastic review! :clap: I loved the movie, I have no idea why it's so hated. Like you mentioned in your review, we were finally shown the war against the machines and for me, it was terrifying! The action sequences were beautifully done and I found myself tense and my heart beating with fear of what would happen next.

There were no shocking revelations, nothing we hadn't heard of before, but it was awesome that the war was finally real, that John Connor had to make choices as an adult, that the machines were fierce and lifeless, except for of course, Marcus. Like JR said, Sam Worthington was the strongest presence in the movie.

Moon Bloodgood was shafted a little by getting too much "love interest" scenes, but she kicked ass when she had to. I love her.

Great movie.
 
I cannot wait for this film, it's finally out here on Wednesday! I'm SO excited!! I watched trailers for it last night that just made me even more anxious :lol:
 
5/28/29/09: Review of Terminator Salvation (From Me):

From the moment it was announced, the revival of the Terminator franchise with the advent of Terminator Salvation was met with instant "Sacrilege!" or "Why?" from fans everywhere. I mean, Jonathan Mostow and co. pretty much tarnished its otherwise perfect reputation with Terminator 3: Rise of the machines, why rub more salt into the wounds of disappointed fans everywhere with another bad attempt at a "Judgement Day"-esque movie, right? Salvation was met with even more resistance when they announced the director behind movies like Charlies Angels & Charlies Angels: Full Throttle, McG (short for Joseph "McGinty" Nichol), would be its directior. Not even the presence of Christian Bale, who would be, technically (if you don't count the nameless actor, Michael Edwards, playing Post-JD!Connor, leader of the resistence) the fourth actor to take up the mantel of John Connor, seemed to dissuade the fears that Terminator Salvation was going to be a movie full of absolute Fail[ure].

Even I was filled with some doubt, if only because of the director (I hate the Charlies Angels movies) but was simply assured in the fact neither Christian Bale or Bryce Dallas Howard would give terrible performances in either roles as John & Kate connor, so that made it watchable enough for me. Kinda. But over the course of late 2008 to 2009, the multitude of trailers and later, TVSpots, dude, I was fully convinced that this movie could not suck in the least. Forget about those two movies McG directed, this was going to be the crowning achivement of his career and the actors employed could only make it better. Well, after a series of trial and error attempts to get out to the movies, I finally managed to drag my family out to a matinee theater to see this. I've gotta say, I was not disappointed.


[SP]Our tale begins with Marcus Wright (Sam Worthington), a man on death row for the murder of two police officers and his brother. On the day of the execution, he is approached by Cyberdyne Scientist, Serena Kogen (Helena Bonham Carter), a woman dying of cancer, to give up his body for medical research. He is resistent at first, but in exchange for a kiss, he obliges and signs his body over to Cyberdyne Systems before being rowed off to be killed. Fast forword Fifteen years later, its now 2018, Judgement Day has occured and the humans (in form of "The Resistance") fight against the now self-aware Skynet and its Terminators, in order to survive and reclaim their world.

John Connor (Christian Bale), however, is not the prophetized leader his mother, Sarah, built him up to become. Instead he is a lowly grunt, taking orders from the talking-heads of the Human Resistence, all of which are unwilling to take any of the information or knowledge he has on the Terminators or Skynet itself, seriously. After a somewhat botched attempt to retrieve informaton from a Skynet facility, John learns that Syknet is after a "civilian" named Kyle Reese (his father) and struggles to find a way to reach out and find him. Meanwhile find Marcus Wright, alive and well, awakens confused by the state of world around him. By twist of fate, he is rescued from a T-600 by a young Kyle Reese (Anton Yelchin of Star Trek fame) and a mute girl named Star (Jadagrace Berry) who were apart of a fallen resistence in Los Angles.

After hearing one of John Connor's messages the group decide to try and find him, however, on the way, Kyle and Star are captured by Harvesters. In the wake of a botched rescue attempt, Marcus encounters Blair Williams (Moon Bloodgood), who promises to help him find his friends, if he comes to her base to meet John Connor, who will be more than willing to help him. The big problem with that idea? Marcus isn't exactly who he appears to be and once John Connor finds out, he finds himself faced with following orders or going against them in order to save the man that will become his father.[/SP]

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True to its word, we finally get to see what we've always been given a glimpse of in the previous Terminator films; the war against the Machines. However, I'm sure many will be disappointed to learn that they will not get the ocean of Terminators swarming across a vast field of skulls and rubble with laser guns, mowing down humans. Instead you get battles in ther forms of "skirmishes" or a simple scramble of humans running from their oppressors, fighting with everything at their disposal. McG, like Michael Bay (or Ridley & Tony Scott), has a eye for action sequences and excuted the lot of them with beautiful precision and smooth editing.

The first battle which introduces us to Bale's rendition of Connor, is a in your face and highly confusing melee of fire, crashing vehicles, and bullets. You are literally in the middle of the choas, being thrown about from the point of view of John Connor as he struggles to survive a monstrous explosion that kills his squad, a helicopter crash and attack from a crippled T-600. Afterward, the action sequences never fail to disappoint as they show a amazing utilization of the terminators and the human characters against them.

While by no means a horror movie in the least, the tension in certian scenes is so gripping I found myself... well, hugging myself in fear that I would loose it (yeah, I admit it, I'm a wimp). Your literally waiting for a Terminator to come around the corner whenever the characters find themselves in an otherwise unsafe place, searching for provisions. My particular favorite Terminator in this movie, is the Harvestor; The giant "Transformer-like machine" that captures humans for the testing of the T-700/800 Models, hearding them like cattle inside a transporter which it folds into. The Moto-Terminators come in at a close second.

That aside, this film impressed me on all the levels it really needed to. The vision of the future, while not the apocalypic city setting of the previous films, is bleak and baren. I wonder if McG took all the desert cues, where most of the film is set, from Mad Max/Mad Max 2, or even Resident Evil: Extinction (2007), as a lot of things from these films (particularly the ragged wardrobes of the human survivors and color saturated wide shots of the dusty world) came to mind when I was watching this. Now when concerned with the pace of the film, there were alot of things I felt could've been touched up on, but I gather this problem arises from the suspected massive amounts of "editing" it recieved to get the PG-13 Rating for a mass-viewing audience. Alot of scenes, particularly, the ones between the human characters, I felt had been removed/shortened to move the story along. The scene where Kate and John say good-bye to each other is a prime example. Even the dialouge felt a little sped up or out of sync, or maybe I'm just too accustomed to listening to the dialogue in the trailers and watching scenes that never made it into the movie.

On the subject of the characters, besides Marcus, Kyle (and by default Star), and Blair Williams to some extent, there really was nothing between them and you (the viewer) that allowed you to become terribly attatched to the characters. There was no exploration between the characters John and Kate Connor, which is what I would've loved to have seen, to give a glimpse into why they loved each other (or were even married), why in his right mind, John would knock up his wife in the middle of a war-torn world like the one they live in. It was by no means the actor's performances, they were just fine in my opinion (I'll get to that later), but I suppose the direction McG took with them really throws your sense of major concern off until the final gambit of the film. Only then do are you bitting your nails and praying [insert character name here] doesn't bite the dust. Alot of people will complain about the lack of major focus on John versus Marcus Wright, who is arguably the audience's POV for observing the desolate future of a post Judgement Day world, but it wasn't as big a problem as I feared it was. I was more or less worried about how they balance both John and Marcus' storylines, but the result is satisfactory for me. This is probably the one time I'm hoping there will be a Unrated/Director's Cut of Terminator Salvation once it becomes available to the public on Standard DVD & Blu-Ray.

When concerned with the performances, surprisingly, the strongest one is without a doubt Sam Worthington's. For a technical newcomer to US Shores (but a seasoned actor in his own right in the land of Australia), this guy really knocked it out of the park as Marcus Wright. Thank God for James Cameron's recommendation that's all I have to stay. The only negative thing I can really think of with his performance, and its not really a bother to me, was his accent; It was just all over the place. That aussie accent was so prominent in some scenes, I couldn't figure out if Marcus was supposed to be Australian or American. Anton Yelchin, on the other hand, gives a great performance as a young Kyle Reese. You could really pick up on the little personality quirks from Michael Biehn's performance, as the future 27-year old man sent back in 1984 in the original film, in Yelchin's performances, so kudos to this kid.

At the age of 14, Edward Furlong, in my opinion, has long since held the mantle as the best John Connor. Nobody has been able touch his performance, but Christian Bale easily makes him second in my book. Bale has never failed to give a good performance, whatever movie he happens to be in (good or bad), and while this is probably not his strongest performance (compared to his current-previous performances in Batman Begins, Rescue Dawn, The Prestige, or The Dark Knight), he brings an older John Connor to life as a hard and no-nonsense man, frustrated with his current position, with such a passion that I can't do anything except marvel at his work. While not really given much to do besides offer advise and look extremely pregnant in this film, Bryce Dallas Howard gives a better performance as Katherine "Kate" Connor than Claire Danes ever could in the awful T3: Rise of the Machines (I shall never forgive her for that extremely weak "Just die, you bitch!" line. Ugh, Failsauce. Danes has done extremely better in other films though). I hope Howard is given a little more do to in the sequel, should she appear again (I pray that she does).

Moon Bloodgood (of Journeyman fame), does extremely well as Blair Williams, though I thought her character was a little deminished when the director made it clear that she would become a potiential "love interest" of Marcus Wright, and wasn't too subtle about it. I wasn't opposed to it, but yeesh, McG, try sublty next time. Like Dallas-Howard, she isn't give much to do, but Bloodgood makes her time on screen worthy every penny. Ironically, Helena Bonham Carter as Serena Kogen, gives a very short-lived but impressive performance as a ailing woman looking for hope and a cold and calcuating machine, who effectively fools Worthington's character. At first, I was little disappointed with her final appearance, because I half-expected this pivotal scene of hers have her character return as nutty as Bellatrix Lestrange from the Harry Potter series. That fault as mine, however :p (that's what I get for trying to pegion-hold the woman). Jadagrace Berry, really had do nothing except be incredibly cute in silence and I loved every minute of her. I kept expecting the cliched "Oh, she talked! Its a Miracle!" moment to happen though. Overall, I say, more Jadagrace Berry!

Danny Elfman (which is amusing, given Helena-BC is in this movie) who composes for the movie, creates an effective action score that adds onto the tension of the action sequences. His Salvation theme is reminicient enough of the original theme to please this Terminator fan, though, ironically said theme also shows up in various moments of the film (especially when a certain T-800 model we all know and love appears). The nods to the previous movies were, for once, not bludgened over the heads of its viewers, and handled, in my opinion, with great care. I think my favorite homage, is without a doubt, the Judgement Day reference to a rebellious John Connor's youth with Gun'n'Roses' "You Could be Mine" roaring over the speakers of a dusty radio to attract the attention of a Moto-Terminator. There even a nice reference to the hey-day of Grunge Rock with some Alice in Chains' "Rooster" thrown into the mix. Ah, good times.

Finally, on the subject of the Special Effects, both Practical and Computer Generated alike, they were amazingly executed. While there were moments where the CGI peeked out and let you know it was just that, all the other times it was barely noticable. It creates and aids to the Apocalyptic setting of the film. The combined physical traits of body builder Roland Kickinger and the de-aged facade of the Governer of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger, do a great job re-creating the menancing appearance for the T-800 model. However, the only thing I didn't like with that little gimmick is that they were damn quick to hide and get rid of Schwarzenegger's face in some scenes. The practical effects for the Terminators, handled by Legacy Studios (formerly known as Stan Winston Studios) were awesome. The leaps and bounds in animatronic technology displayed with the use of the T-600's and the Prototype T-800 are mindblowing. I hope there's a Oscar Nomination in their future after this.


Overall, despite its flaws, Terminator Salvation is a thousand times [infinity] better than Terminator: Rise of the Machines and a great inclusion to the previous two Terminator films. However, do not go into this movie thinking it will be the next Terminator: Jugement Day, because its not and never will be. I'm honestly surprised by the lukewarm responses this film has gotten, because its better than most people are giving it credit for. Overall, a solid [4 out of 5]. The Terminator has purpose and life again in the 21st century.
 
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Terminator Salvation is a 2009 American science fiction film written by John Brancato and Michael Ferris and directed by McG. It is the fourth film in the Terminator series, and stars Christian Bale as future Resistance leader John Connor and Sam Worthington as cyborg Marcus Wright. The film also introduces a young version of Kyle Reese, played by Anton Yelchin, the protagonist from the original 1984 film, as well as depicting the origin of the T-800 Model 101 Terminator. Terminator Salvation, set in 2018, is both a prequel and a sequel to the previous films and focuses on the war between humanity and Skynet. The film was released on May 21, 2009 in the United States, is scheduled for release on June 3, 2009 in the United Kingdom, and June 4, 2009 in Australia.

CAST:

Christian Bale / John Connor: A soldier in the Resistance waging war against Skynet after it destroyed much of humanity in a nuclear holocaust, who is destined to become humanity's leader. Director McG deemed Bale "the most credible action star in the world" during development. McG wanted Bale for Marcus, but the actor — for reasons he "can't really remember why" — wanted to play John, and that led to the character's role getting expanded in rewrites of the script. Bale was the first person to be cast and signed on for the role in November 2007. McG talked extensively with Bale in the UK about the role while the latter was filming The Dark Knight, and they both agreed to proceed. Although a fan of the Terminator series, he was at first uninterested, until McG convinced him the story would be character-based and not rely on special effects. They kept working on the story every day, along with Worthington. McG said Bale broke his hand punching a Terminator prop during filming. Bale also spent six to eight hours each day with McG in the editing room to advise the finished product.

Sam Worthington / Marcus Wright: A mysterious man on death row for murder who donated his body to Cyberdyne Systems for experimentation. His last memory is of being on death row, and John is at first unsure of whether Wright is trustworthy. Terminator creator James Cameron personally recommended Worthington (whom he directed in Avatar) to McG. Russell Crowe also recommended him to McG. The director decided Worthington looked tougher than the "great many of today's [waify] young male actors". Worthington recalled Cameron told him "the Terminator to make is the one with the war". Worthington tore his intercostal muscles during the first weeks of filming, but he nevertheless insisted on performing his own stunts. McG had originally asked Christian Bale to play the role, but the latter insisted on portraying John instead, and to expand the character's role. The former once expressed interest in casting Daniel Day-Lewis or Josh Brolin in the part as well. Brolin did talk to Bale and read a draft of the screenplay, which he found "interesting and dark, [but] ultimately, though, I didn't think it felt right".

Anton Yelchin / Kyle Reese: A teenage soldier and admirer of John Connor. As portrayed by Michael Biehn in The Terminator, he was sent back in time to 1984 to protect Sarah Connor to ensure the survival of the human race, and fathered John with her. Yelchin said he wanted to portray Reese as Biehn did and not make him appear weaker because it was a younger version of the character. The difference in his portrayal lies in showing Reese as intense, but not concentrated until he joins the resistance proper. Yelchin tried to convey Reese's intensity by focusing on how fast Biehn appeared when running in the original film.

Bryce Dallas Howard / Kate Connor: John's wife, who is seven months pregnant. Charlotte Gainsbourg was originally set to play the part, but left due to scheduling conflicts with another film. As portrayed by Claire Danes in the third film, Kate was a veterinarian; but in this film, she is now a physician. Howard suggested, as part of the character's backstory, that Kate studied medical books and interviewed many surviving doctors after the events of Judgment Day. The film's subject matter reminded her of developing countries, devastated by war and lack basic supplies such as clean water, which "reflects things that are going on currently in this privileged world that we're living in where there hasn't been an apocalypse and robots haven't taken over the world. I think that's something definitely for us to reinvestigate and that we continue to make choices for our own future to take that into consideration". Howard also focused on Kate "being accustomed to fear and loss" because the character was a military brat.

Moon Bloodgood / Blair Williams: Suffering from survivor's guilt, the battle-hardened fighter pilot in John’s resistance cell continues the legacy of tough-as-nails female characters, like Sarah Connor, of the Terminator franchise. After being shot down by Skynet’s aerial forces, Blair is aided by Marcus and the two become fast friends on their way to rendezvousing with John Connor and his team. Her instincts —honed from years surviving in the wastelands and flying countless combat missions —lead her to trust Marcus, despite growing suspicions in John’s inner circle about the mysterious stranger’s motives. She is the romantic interest for Marcus.

Common / Barnes: A resistance soldier and John's second in command. A deeply religious individual, Barnes believes that Judgment Day was the beginning of the End Times as outlined in the Bible and that Skynet is the anti-Christ. His spiritual beliefs make Barnes follow the messiah-like John into even the most hopeless of situations—and lead him even to disobey orders from higher ranking resistance leaders to do so.

Helena Bonham Carter / Dr. Serena Kogan: Before Judgment Day, Serena was an ex-Cyberdyne scientist with terminal cancer working on advanced technology, convincing Marcus to donate his body to Project Angel for her "research", which will fall into the hands of Skynet. Tilda Swinton was originally considered for the part, but Bonham Carter replaced her before filming. She accepted the part because her boyfriend, Tim Burton, is a Terminator fan. Her role was a "small but pivotal" one and would only require ten days of shooting.[25] On August 22, 2008, Bonham Carter delayed filming by a day, and was given an indefinite leave due to the death of four of her family members in a minibus accident in South Africa.

Roland Kickinger & Arnold Schwarzenegger / the T-800 Model 101: The first Terminator covered in living human tissue built as Skynet's newest weapon for the extermination of humankind. Arnold Schwarzenegger's likeness was utilized role via CGI, with a mold of his face made in 1984 scanned to create the digital makeup. Fellow Austrian bodybuilder and actor Kickinger, who previously portrayed Schwarzenegger in the 2005 biographical film See Arnold Run, was his physical double on set. When asked about his role, Kickinger said it's "Arnold's character in the first Terminator. That's basically my role, but 20 years before, so it establishes how the Terminator came about." Polish strongman athlete Mariusz Pudzianowski was also considered for doubling Schwarzenegger. If Schwarzenegger had decided not to lend his appearance to the film, then John would have shot the T-800's face off before the audience got a good look at him.

[Others]:

Jadagrace Berry / Star: A girl in Reese's care.
Michael Ironside / General Ashdown: The resistance leader before John.
Jane Alexander / Virginia: A refugee.
Linda Hamilton/ Sarah Connor (Voice): Linda Hamilton has been confirmed to lend her voice as Sarah Connor. Her voice is heard from tapes Sarah recorded before her death prior to the film's events to warn John of the future war.


Music:

Danny Elfman began composing the score in January 2009. Beforehand, McG had the idea to hire Gustavo Santaolalla, who he got to speak with, to work on the human themes, while having either Thom Yorke or Jonny Greenwood for Skynet's themes. He also wanted to discuss scoring the film with Hans Zimmer, but he was unable to arrange a meeting. However, he managed to meet with The Terminator and Terminator 2 composer Brad Fiedel. McG was not interested in repeating the sounds Fiedel achieved in his films but still wanted Elfman to use those themes and ambient sounds, and give them a "Wagnerian quality".

Reprise Records released the soundtrack on May 19, 2009, which will include fifteen tracks. While Common has expressed interest in writing a song for the soundtrack, Alice in Chains' "Rooster" is the only featured song. Although not included in the soundtrack, "You Could Be Mine" by Guns N' Roses, which was first featured in Terminator 2: Judgment Day, was featured briefly in a scene of the film as well. Nine Inch Nails "[B]The Day The World Went Away[/B]" is played throughout on most of the film's trailers, however it is not included in the film or soundtrack.

  1. Opening
  2. All Is Lost
  3. Broadcast
  4. The Harvester Returns
  5. Fireside
  6. No Plan
  7. Reveal/ The Escape
  8. Hydrobot Attack
  9. Farewell
  10. Marcus Enters Skynet
  11. A Solution
  12. Serena
  13. Final Confrontation
  14. Salvation
  15. "[B]Rooster[/B]" by Alice In Chains


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