"Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" Classic Series Talkback (Spoilers)

Looking a bit different isn't the issue it's being a notably different character. Ray was a mix breed. That matters. Ray Fillet in the Archie comics, the toys, and in the one video game he is shown in looks a bit different in every version but he's always a blue mantaray mutant.

I can't speak for Mirage obviously but I would imagine anyone who worked a Mirage who was aware of both of these characters would tell you they are not they same mutant.
 
i just consider the turtles and splinter action figures as a sort ofa hybrid of the comic book design and the cartoon counterparts....it took playmates long enough but they did finally make a line called "toon turtles" that were actually based on the cartoon look...only thing is they had some really lame action features like "bug out eyes" etc...even though they never did any kind of tom and jerry or bugs bunny like effects like that in the show.:sad: and i remember that they did finally make a really cool looking shredder that looked just like his cartoon design and could actually stand upright! he was some kind of deluxe figure and i think he had some spinning blades action feature on his arms...ah man, now i have to rumage through my closets and dig theseguys up lol...great memories.
 
Watching Season 6 right now, and as much as I love this show, it's extremely hard to take it as a serious action show when you get lines like this, when Krang and Shredder are watching the viewscreen in the season premiere.

"Quiet, Shredder, it's April O'Neil and we have to develop a story plot around her!"
 
As much as I hate to use wiki for anything...

"Ryan Brown, at various comic conventions, has explained that Ray Fillet was originally intended to be featured in an episode of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987 TV series) called "Rebel Without A Fin". Model sheets were drawn up showing the Mirage incarnation of the character but when Fred Wolf ignored the Man Ray Archie origins and made his character a villain, Brown and Murphy protested forcing the substitution of an aquatic mutant named Ray."

That was taken from the list of supporting TMNT characters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_characters#Ray_Fillet

So you're right in one way. That was suppose to be Ray Fillet but when the studio decided to change the origin story the guys working on Archie TMNT forced the substitution of another mutant.

You'll probably choose to call this a lie. I honeslty hadn't heard this happened before I looked it up but I'm pretty sure if you talked to Murphy or Brown today they'd tell you that's not Ray Fillet's cartoon rendition.

It makes me wonder what other kinds of changes were made during the process of making the mutant heavy CBS seasons of Ninja Turtles.
 
Aww, but that's some of the old shows charm...and it gives it a chance to poke fun at itself and other shows in the process...

Now that I can see the picture in clear quality, compared to my old VHS tapes, Season 6 had some of the best animation the series has ever had, and the most consistent. I'd say that 1992, 1990, and possibly 1993 are the best the series has too offer..
 
I know that standards and practices were getting a lot more strict as time went on, and that probably had a heavy hand in deciding who appeared on TMNT and who didn't, as well.

I mean, I still think it's kind of lame that Mikey's nunchukus were taken away and replaced with a GRAPPLING HOOK of all things. Of all the martial arts weapons out there, and he gets that.

I really didn't see Ray as a 'villain' when he appeared on the show, he was more of a misguided mutant who just happened to be tricked into a life of crime by his creator, like how the mutant frogs were by Shredder in S2. Had he had a second episode, I'm sure Ray would have been portrayed as a good guy.
 
Yeah he probably wouldn't have been a good guy in future episodes. He just did his "father's" bidding in that one episode. Probably about half or more of the mutant pre the Titanus story arc become friends with the turtles at some point.

Yes a grappling hook was a stupid substitution. Especially given that all the turltes had those in the seasons Mike could have nun-chucks.
 
That's what made the show funny, the show makes fun of itself most of the time.

That being said, I do love the plotlines of the old show. They were so amusing yet they fit the universe of the old show, so even though they seemed cheesy, they actually worked.

That's what made Ninja Turtles so fun to watch. You were just suppose to have fun and go along for the ride, without thinking too much about the stuff that didn't make sense or whatever.
 
No, I don't think it was a lie. It's just that from that description they still sound like the same character. Like you said, it was supposed to be Ray Fillet but they needed to change his name. It's kind of like Devil Ray on Justice League Unlimited. He's obviously the same character as Black Manta, but they had to use the name Devil Ray instead.
 
The old show also had one or two adult jokes in it as well..

April: But why would he talk to me?

Burne: Because, you're a woman. Something he hasn't seen in 15 years...

Regarding to interviewing a prisoner..
 
Yeah, I also loved how the old toon recognized that it had an older fanbase and sometimes made jokes that kids didn't quite get. Heck, just now as I'm watching the DVDs I'm getting the jokes that flew over my head when I was a kid,

Vernon was also amusing, he watches a video on "how to be a slacker" while Krang's Android Body, which went rogue, is punching holes into Channel 6. :D
 
I can't help but wonder if the two prune danish jokes in a season where inside jokes for the writers?

One villain asks for one and Burne asks for one. Never mentioned before or since, heh.
 
There's a difference between suppose to be and was. Brown made sure it wasn't Ray Fillet with a substitution. Rather than being the same character with a different name is the same name for a different character. If you reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally want to say it's the same guy, that's your business but I don't consider it the same fish mutant.
 
Changing the topic:

Which opening did everyone like better? The syndicated opening, the CBS opening for seasons 4 through 7, or the Red Sky opening with the live action movie footage?
 
Its hard for me to pick just one because they were all pretty cool. So I'll rank em...

1. The syndicated opening -nothing beats it.

2. The Red Sky opening - I loved the dramatic theme they used and the live action shots were a great touch.

3. CBS opening - more lively than the other two, and the remixed theme complemented the Turtles move to Saturday Mornings.
 
Actually, some of the backs of the figure packaging showed Muckman as a bad guy, other times they showed him as a good guy. There were other times where there was confusion as to whether a character was a good guy or a bad guy. For instance, Wyrm was portrayed as a good guy on the back of his packaging, but he was portrayed as a bad guy on the commercial for the action figure. And then Wingnut and Screwloose were good guys on the back of their packaging, but on the show they were bad guys. It's almost as if Playmates designed the figures first, and then figured out whether they were good guys or bad guys later.



I got pretty sick of the corniness after a while. I actually thought the first five episodes were the best in the series. They seemed a bit more serious compared to some of the later episodes. While I found the humor funny as a kid, I really can't stand it now.
 
1987-1996 TMNT was good corny fun throughout but it only the first 5 episodes qualifies as "timeless" or even "entertaining" because they were a bit more serious, a bit more violent and the actors got to ad-lib more often. The rest of the series doesn't even come close to the entertainment quality of the majority of the 2003 series.

And I'm sure they made the toys long before they figured out where to put them but Playmates wanted to see at least some of those toys show up in the series reguardless if they were good guys or bad guys.

In the case of Mutagen and Muckman (two characters that creep me out to this day...) they were unfortunate souls that came in contact with mutagen and before they learned the truth about the situation were tricked into fighting the Turtles by Shredder. So they were sorta good guys and bad guys.

It was especially odd that Wingnut and Screwloose were aliens in the cartoon.

Archie comics made more use of most of freak of the week characters in the TMNT toyline and even had a spin-off featuring several of the good mutants.

But whether a character was a good guy or a bad guy was often ambiguous but most of the time the character fought the turtles and then realized the turtles were not enemies but instead could be their friends. Once again... this series has always been cheesy and cliche... So they reused that idea far too often.

And now I've picked up Season 6 to add to my collection of seasons 1-5. I sure do love this cheese. Between the old show and the new show I've got access to upwards of 200 episodes of Ninja Turtles cartoons.
 
Does anybody remember the turtles transforming toys me and my brother got a couple they were

Foot solider - turns into a robot

April O Neil - Turns into catwoman of channel 6

Rachel - turns back into a turtle

Behop and Rocksteady - turn into humans

what other ones of these did they do.
 
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