Sushi includes Rice

timsy

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Perhaps I can use the same excuse at the AYCE pizza buffets like
Cici's $3.99 buffet. I can scrape off all the toppings of 8 slices of
pizza and pile them all onto 1 slice.

Should I ask if I can do that before I'm seated?

-sw
 
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Diabetic's discrimination lawsuit against restaurant is hard to swallow
A Studio City sushi restaurant is taken to court by an all-you-can-eat
customer.

David Lazarus

8:29 PM PST, February 17, 2011
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David Martin was in the mood for raw fish, and he liked the deal offered
by a Studio City sushi restaurant: all you can eat for $28.

He took a seat at the counter and started ordering. But it turned out
that Martin didn't really want sushi, which includes rice; he wanted
all-you-can-eat sashimi, which is just fish. He began picking the
seafood off the top and leaving the rice.

Restaurant owner Jay Oh told Martin that if he wanted the
all-you-can-eat price, he'd have to eat the rice too and not just fill
up on fish. Martin replied that he has diabetes and that he can't eat rice.

Oh said he offered to prepare sashimi for Martin. Two orders of sashimi
cost $25, or $3 less than the all-you-can-eat sushi deal. But Oh said
Martin declined the offer.

Martin left the restaurant after being charged a la carte prices for the
sushi he'd already ordered plus $1 for a cup of green tea.

Two weeks later, Martin filed suit in Los Angeles County Superior Court.
It seeks at least $4,000 in damages for the "humiliation, embarrassment
and mental anguish" Martin says he suffered after being discriminated
against "on the basis of his disability."

Discrimination, or shakedown?

Oh says it's the latter, and is determined to go to trial, even if the
eventual legal cost tops the $6,000 Martin subsequently demanded to make
his lawsuit go away.

"I have to fight this," Oh told me over green tea at A Ca-Shi Sushi
before the dinner rush. "Why do I have to give this person money? I
didn't do anything wrong."

Martin couldn't be reached for comment. But his attorney, Stuart E.
Cohen, said that "we are not after money, but a change in A Ca-Shi's
thinking and policy."

"I would rather like to see A Ca-Shi succeed on a level playing field,
not a discriminatory one," he said.

I should note here that I have Type 1 diabetes and I can sympathize with
the frustration Martin feels in not being able to eat anything he'd
like. This is a difficult disease to manage, requiring willpower and
discipline.

That said, I'm with Oh on this one.

If it's Oh's policy that you eat everything you're served if you want
the all-you-can-eat price, then that's the policy. If you don't like it,
don't go there again. Or pay the a la carte price and eat whatever you
want. Or order the sashimi for goodness' sake and don't make such a fuss.

"The rice is part of the all-you-can-eat sushi," Oh said. "If you only
eat the fish, I would go broke."

Martin says in his lawsuit that he has Type 2 diabetes, which means his
body still produces insulin but doesn't process it well. A Type 1
diabetic, by contrast, no longer produces insulin and must inject the
hormone before every meal to keep blood sugar levels under control.

Many people with Type 2 diabetes, including Martin, take pills to treat
their condition and often try to limit their intake of carbohydrates,
such as carb-heavy rice.

Unlike him, I do have to inject insulin before I eat, but that doesn't
stop me from enjoying sushi, pasta, pizza or other foods bulging with
carbs. I just dose correctly for the meal. Rice will harm a diabetic
only if the diabetic chooses to be harmed.

More to the point, I expect no special favors because of my illness. If
a restaurant doesn't serve what I want ? all-you-can-eat sashimi, say ?
I go somewhere else.

Yes, diabetes is officially classified as a disability. But it's not
debilitating. I've met plenty of other people in wheelchairs or with
seeing-eye dogs who cope with far greater challenges than I face. And I
seldom hear them complaining about being discriminated against.

You play the hand you've been dealt.

Cohen, Martin's attorney, said his client "has frequented numerous sushi
bars and not once has he ever been demanded to eat rice upon explaining
that he is diabetic." So go back to those places.

The only thing Martin has proved with his lawsuit is that he has
problems accepting other people's quite reasonable rules. The fact that
he offered to drop his suit in return for a payout of $6,000 isn't
exactly the hallmark of a civil rights champion.

The next hearing in the case is scheduled for Feb. 25. Oh's lawyer,
Joyce J. Cho, said she's filed a motion for the lawsuit to be dismissed
because it lacks legal merit, but she expects the case to eventually
come to trial later this year.

Meanwhile, Martin's attorney said he intends "to reach out and work with
the American Diabetes Assn. to create local directories of
diabetic-friendly or not-friendly establishments."

Perhaps I can help. In my experience, there's no such thing as a
diabetic-friendly or not-friendly business.

Just friendly and not-friendly diabetics.

David Lazarus' column runs Tuesdays and Fridays. He also can be seen
daily on KTLA-TV Channel 5. Send your tips or feedback to
[email protected].

Copyright ? 2011, Los Angeles Times
 
"sf" wrote in message
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When I lived in Alameda, we had two. One was Sizzler, although granted what
they had mainly was the salad bar. There was a small pasta bar and I think
they also put out some yucky pizza. We went there frequently when my
daughter was a toddler because she liked the little whole apples they put
out and it was a good place for her to get finger foods such as cucumber
slices. Yes, I know I could provide those foods at home but when she was
little like that she really loved to go out places and interact with other
people. She turned shy at about age 3 and didn't want to go out any more.

We also had the Asian food place that I mentioned before. Daughter and I
didn't like it at all. It was not our kind of food. I did not grow up
eating a lot of Chinese food and even less Japanese. But what I did eat was
the authentic stuff and not the Americanized stuff. This place for the most
part served the Americanized stuff. Lots of gloppy things in sauces with
rice and noodles and sushi that appeared to be mostly rice. It was a very
expensive place to eat at. I think they served lobster. I think that was
why. Not something daughter and I ate.
 
On 2/25/2011 4:13 AM, Goomba wrote:

I suppose he could have asked if all you can eat sashimi was included
before being seated?


How horrible, a restaurant owner defines what will be served and the
terms. Who does he think he is? Shouldn't people be able to get whatever
they want without rules?


But shouldn't people be able to invent their own rules if they don't
like existing rules?



Is this before or after he adds another Mercedes SL65 to his collection
for being a sleezeball attorney?
 
On 2/25/2011 3:39 PM, James Silverton wrote:

Probably very few, I doubt that matters much. Behaving badly because
there's no sign prohibiting it can hardly be seen as an excuse.
 
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 04:13:35 -0500, Goomba
wrote:


First the litigant would need to prove that diabetes is a
disability... diabetes is no more a disability than zits/acne.
In any other state the courts would not hear this case, but the
California judicial system is more fucked up than Libya's.

At every "All You Can Eat" restaurant I've ever been to the
establishment has the right not to serve patrons when they don't eat
what they take. At Las Vegas 'all you can eats' I've seen them escort
folks to the door when they left plates heaped with food while going
to get more. In US military mess halls there is always a large sign:
"Take All You Want, Eat All You Take". He took the rice, he has to
eat it all to be served more. Even Nathan's Famous hot dog eating
contest requires that entrants eat the entire bun before grabbing the
next dawg. In NY that putz would be tarred, rolled in rice, and rode
out of town on a rail with a fistful of wasabi stuffed up his ass.
 
"Bryan" wrote in message
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On Feb 25, 11:35 pm, "Julie Bove" wrote:

The outer ring of pizza crust is the exception. Most folks treat it
as a handle. My rule for my son is to eat all the crust that has
toppings on it. At pizza buffets, I always get salad last. Romaine
with a little cheese sprinkled on and tomatoes if they have them is a
nice meal capper.

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I do not go to pizza buffets. This was Old Country Buffet. And their pizza
is certainly not very good. Most likely something frozen. I only ever got
the pizza once. This was some years ago and they have changed the menu
since then. I was just looking for a form of protein. I believe they had
ham, but I don't eat that. The other meats just seemed to be going soooo
fast! They would bring it out, a line would form and it would be gone
before I got to it. So I finally just gave up and grabbed some pizza that I
ate the cheese off of.

Now they have a taco bar so for my protein I just have some taco meat. And
it isn't the best either. Actually this is not a place I really like going
to. But my daughter loves the place. She actually likes the Golden Corral
better, as do I but it is in a another city.
 
On 2/25/2011 10:12 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

I have to admit that the two Japanese buffets around here that I like
each have notices saying approximately "We do not serve sashimi in the
buffet. Anyone not eating the rice will incur an extra charge." This
seems entirely reasonable to me. It is unfortunate that someone may have
to avoid a sushi buffet because of this policy but that is hardly a
great imposition or a discrimination. I don't think I want to know the
litigious Mr. Martin.

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James Silverton, Potomac

"Not": obvious change in "Reply To"
 
On 2/25/2011 4:24 PM, Alfie wrote:

On the matter of the inside-out roll: I just don't get it!


You're truly crazy about sushi! I remember my auntie making it when I
was a little kid. She had a okazuya-type restaurant called "Kimies."
Sushi rice for inari is somewhat different from nigiri. Sushi rice for
the maki is different from inari sushi rice. She also made musubi which
is plain old rice formed into a ball. I don't think I ever saw a nigiri
sushi until I was in my twenties. That was fancy stuff at the time.
These days, sushi rice is mostly just so-so. I guess people don't have
the time to prepare it right.
 
I rarely go to any all-you-can-eat places, however I have been
to a few all-you-can-eat sushi places. They did have sashimi. They
just didn't have much of it, it would trickle out at a slow rate.
So the rice-avoiding diners just had to be patient.

This seems like a good way of finessing (sp?) the problem to me.


Steve
 
"sf" wrote in message
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There is a place here in Everett, or at least there was. Not sure it is
still there any more. I used to go to it with my brother to play video
games. I can't remember what year this was but it was before video arcades
became popular. There were still pinball arcades in those days. Video
games were a new thing. This place had two long rows of pizza, some
cinnamon rolls and a salad bar. It was cheap. I don't remember it being
overly good except for the cinnamon rolls. But you could buy tokens to play
the video games and they were cheap!

When I was a kid, the Pizza Huts in this area had sit down restaurants. On
Friday nights they had a pizza buffet. So did Pizza Haven which I believe
was a local chain. Then there was Godfathers (still around in some areas I
think), they had a buffet but I don't remember the particulars. We also
have Alfy's here which I also think is a local chain. I believe they do a
buffet for lunch and dinner that also includes soup, salad and breadsticks.

And I keep seeing ads on TV for Cici's. They are cheap but not in this
area. I've never been to one.
 
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"Julie Bove" wrote:


I don't think I've ever seen an All You Can Eat restaurant here.

Miche

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Electricians do it in three phases
 
"notbob" wrote in message
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That's quite true too. I've found sadly that most people will eat anything
that is called pizza. I don't know why. Pizza has never been a favorite of
mine. But... If it's a really good pizza then I will like it. It's just
not something I can bring myself to eat very often. I have learned to make
a really good one. We are currently eating it once a week. But I know soon
we will tire of it and then not want it again for a long time.
 
"Goomba" wrote in message
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sushi

Sushi (すし、寿司, 鮨, 鮓, 寿斗, 寿し, 壽司?) is a Japanese dish consisting of cooked
vinegared rice which is commonly topped with other ingredients, such as fish
or other seafood,[1] or put into rolls. Sliced raw fish by itself is called
sashimi, as distinct from sushi. Sushi that is served rolled inside or
around nori, dried and pressed sheets of seaweed, is makizushi. Toppings
stuffed into a small pouch of fried tofu is inarizushi. A bowl of sushi rice
with toppings scattered over it is called chirashizushi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sashimi

Sashimi (Japanese: 刺身, pronounced [saɕimiꜜ]; English: /səˈʃiːmiː/) is a
Japanese delicacy. It primarily consists of very fresh raw seafood, sliced
into thin pieces, and served only with a dipping sauce (soy sauce with
wasabi paste or such condiments as grated fresh ginger, or ponzu), and such
garnishes as shiso and shredded daikon radish. Dimensions vary but are
typically about 2.5 cm (1") wide by 4 cm (1.5") long by 0.5 cm (0.2") thick.
The word sashimi means "pierced body", i.e. "刺身 = sashimi = 刺し = sashi
(pierced, stuck) and 身 = mi (body, meat). This word dates from the Muromachi
period, and was possibly coined when the word "切る = kiru (cut), the culinary
step, was considered too inauspicious to be used by anyone other than
Samurai. This word may derive from the culinary practice of sticking the
fish's tail and fin to the slices in identifying the fish being eaten.


The patron is an idiot!

Dimitri
 
"sf" wrote in message
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They are that way and I have seen them in pretty much every city I've lived
in. I don't recall seeing any in NY but... There it was very common to
sell pizza by the slice and you could get that on pretty much any street
corner. When we lived in NY we were constantly on the lookout for really
good food. Yes, I know if we had ventured into NY proper, we likely could
have found it. But we were on Staten Island. Lots of food there but not so
much good stuff. So a pizza buffet was not something we were looking for.
There were so many places around us that delivered pizza and often daughter
and I went to a place just outside the gate that served pizza by the slice.
We didn't normally get pizza in there though. It was usually ravioli and
salad.
 
"Miche" wrote in message
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That could be. They were very common when I was a kid. Perhaps slightly
less common now. At least here. Very common still in some parts of the
country.
 
Goomba wrote:


Generally I agree. But...a T2 who is not on insulin has NO WAY to "cover"
the carbs in the rice. The pill most commonly taken by a T2, metformin, does
not cover extra carbs with extra insulin production. (Leaving aside the
issue of insulin resistance, which aflicts most T2s.) So the only way a T2
who is not on insulin can avoid being "harmed" by rice is not to eat it, or
to eat only the small amount that will not produce a BG spike over 140,
probably no more than 1/4-1/3 cup at most.

The restaurant owner should have explained his policy to the customer
diplomatically--and privately--for future reference, and if it was such a
big deal seen to it that the menu stated the policy in the future. He
should have let this one go. One customer eating fish was not going to break
him. What does this guy do when a customer sends a dish back? Refuse to
take it because if everyone did he would go broke? I doubt it.


I agree. (I'm a T2, BTW.) I also agree that this was not worth a lawsuit.
Seems to me that both parties are acting like jerks: a restaurant owner who
won't accomodate a single customer, and a customer who is litigation-happy.
 
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