Superman Returns

With regarRAB to powers and humanoid appearance, I was merely making a facetious point to highlight the fact that questioning Superman's ability to reproduce would seem to be a less contentious issue than looking human and being able to fly.

Like you said, Jor-El picked Earth for a reason, so it's reasonable to assume he might have picked one where the sole survivor of their planet would be genetically compatible with its inhabitants, and would not have to remain the last son of Krypton, as it were.
 
I don't know how true this is but I've read in a couple of places that even Time Warner publications like EW are quoting a $300 million figure including the false starts.

Maybe it's my financial background but I can't believe that WB et al would commit to spend over $200 million without the expectation at the very least of breaking even. Especially considering they lured Singer away from the hit X-men franchise.

It is going to be interesting to see if the sequel goes ahead now. I think they missed a trick by not adapting one of the comic stories involving brainiac, darkseid etc or at the very least bringing in different villian from the comics that the audience wasn't already familiar with. Someone who could actually test superman.
 
OH CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im gonna turn into a Fussing Freddy over this but Im starting to think SR has really REALLY hit the rocks

http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/10/exclusive-super-200-million-man-or-else/

Superman performed rubbish in its 3rd week and though there aint a lot that we didnt know it the above article its hammering home that this ISNT good news.

I think its a big possibility that Superman may not Return and if he does itll be a totally different beast.

So whos to blame? I dont think there is one person who has the blame 100% on them but Bryan Singer DEFINATELY DIDNT HELP THIS MOVIE. The continuity errors, the plotholes and length of editing all have a connect back to him.

I swear to god if there isnt a sequel I will NEVER EVER WATCH A MOVIE OF HIS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!(apart from my baby SR!)

Were the XMEN movies like this?(Never seen XMEN so I cant comment!) Is it SUPERMAN to blame? Is it US to blame? Is it SINGER on a downward spiral?

If love is blind then Singer has cateracts!!!
 
I hate to rain on your parade, but I absolutely 100% guarantee you there's no way SR is profitable at this point. It may just break even or make a tiny profit when final domestic and international box office, DVRAB, and toy sales are in, but that's still some way off. So far, it's been profitable for the distributors, and I would have thought Legendary Pictures as well, although I don't know the specifics of their financial investement in the movie, but WB are still deep in the red.

As for the comments on sequels, it echoes what I said earlier, that long term, it makes more sense for WB to stick with it, and the sequel(s) are virtually guaranteed.
 
It's all speculative, nobody knows for sure what the exact figure is, but the fact remains, they will never, ever break even with this movie. They might have hoped to in their wildest dreams, but wouldn't have expected it.

Contrary to popular belief, profit isn't always the bottom line for Hollywood execs. Reviving a franchise that would ultimately be quite lucrative and generate long-term interest in the character in terms of the comics, future TV shows, merchandise, etc, etc, is certainly valuable in itself, and although they would have expected this to be a summer blockbuster, movie studios are very used to producing movies that don't break even or make a profit, and their stated goal before the movie was finished or released was to create something in the same vein as Batman, which was critically acclaimed, but not hugely impressive at the box office.

Singer has reportedly pushed back production on Logan's Run(?) to do the next Superman movie, and he will be at Comic Con in a few weeks talking about the plans for the next movie... and dodging questions about the first one's box office, I suspect :)

Luthor was a sensible choice, even if they didn't pull it off all that well. Given that many of the movies' techniques were experimental, it was always going to be very expensive, and by using a less effects heavy villain, they could concentrate on perfecting the Superman visuals and developing the story, and many of the techniques, sets, models, etc, can then be re-used in a sequel featuring a more super-powered villain.

Despite its obvious weaknesses, Superman Returns is still a pretty solid movie, and in terms of superhero movies, it's probably only bettered by The Incredibles, and perhaps the original Superman The Movie. It's far superior to at least the first Spider-Man movie, even if that's not reflected in the box office, and if Fantastic Four can get a sequel, no reason why The Man of Steel can't.
 
Right Im off for my second of many helpings of Superman Returns!!!!!!!!! :)

No doubt Ill be back later to give my analysis AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
 
In NA Lois & Clark got together and they were told.....

.... that it was physically impossible for them to have a baby

(spolier for anyone who hasn't yet seen SR ;))
 
I watched Superman returns on Sat.

Plus points:

Brandon Routh - fabulous as Superman just the right combination of cheese and superhero

Negative

Who the hell cast Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane, she looked like a teenager and nothing like a working mother with a 5 year old son. Her acting was wooden and it seems she may have possessed some super powers of her own ,considering how often she got thrown around /beaten up,yet managed to escape without so much as breaking a nail

The movie could do with chopping off at least 30 minutes off the end, it was too long and to be honest as entertaining as it was I was longing for it to finish.

Oh, and this has nothing to do with the movie itself, but I was surprised at how many people brought their kiRAB (young children - toddlers through to 9/10 years olRAB) along to the cinema, the movie although not overly violent throughout has some violent bits in it that I wouldn't have thought were suitable for young children.
 
Ok i have a bit of a weird reguest.Myself and my nieces went to see this film tonight and bout five minutes from the end it was turned off and we were sent home after the fire alarm went off!
So my request is this,could someone just tell me what happens in the last five minutes of the film,pretty please?I enjoyed the film but i founf the first hour too boring to sit through again just to find out the ending.Thanks in advance...
 
Oh..........ok..........................................................................


SO NOT ONLY CAN HE KEEP THINGS CHEAP BUT HES A LIAR TOO??????

IM AM SO GONNA GET BRYAN SINGER!!!!!

:mad: :) :D

G why do you do this to me? :(

:D
 
I got the idea that Superman cannot mate with humans from the comics! I was reading on a fansite that the only other person Superman could mate with seemed to be a complete bitch from Krypton and they didnt seem to be fond of each other so repopulating Krypton wasnt on their priority list. From what I recall she was pretty violent and liked wars!!!!(Im not sure if this was Silver Age or Post Crisis but does anybody remember this?)

I actually prefer it to Spiderman 1 as that seemed pretty basic too BUT we got a lot more due to the previous movies like we didnt have to go through origins etc as that took all of 40secs at the start!!!

I agree with the poster who said that if F4 can get a sequel why cant Superman (as much as I liked the F4 movie this is so much better)

As for the amount it will take to break even I do think its achievable BUT WB arent helping themselves by making so little merchandise. Naturally after seeing the movie I wanted everything Suerman and what did I get??? F*UCK ALL!!! Seriously even the game isnt out till November and TBH I dont see why as Im not expecting it to be good Im just expecting it to be a cash in(which it wont as its too far away to be) but there was a hell load of Smallville stuff (at least Clark talks a bit in that!!!) :)

On a final note I do know its early to predict but when will Superman Returns be out on DVD? Im hoping to have it for my Christmas afternoon movie!!!
 
I can't quite remember what would be the last 5 minutes, but assuming it's after the hospital scene, where Lois (evidently) whispers to the unconscious Superman that Jason is his child, we see Lex and Kitty stranded on a ridicilously small island, as their escape helicopter has run out of gas, and Lex considers eating the dog, as they only have 6 coconuts left. Very strange. Talk about a scene that ought to have been cut.

Then we see a nurse going to check on Superman, but finRAB his hospital bed empty, because he's Jesus, apparently. :) We then fade to Lois and Richard's home, where Richard is nowhere to be seen, but an emotional Lois is struggling to get past the title of a piece entitled "why the world neeRAB Superman". Little Jason is sleeping, and Jesu... erm, Superman appears in his bedroom and does Jor-El's "the father becomes the son, the son becomes the father" speech to the sleeping Jason before taking off. Jason wakes up and yells goodbye, and Lois, who is now outside, and in the middle of quitting smoking, looks to the sky to see Superman, and asks him "will we see you... around?", to which Superman, of course, answers "I'm always around", mirroring their rooftop moment from earlier in the movie almost word for word.

The significance of the last scene is that Lois and Superman have now come to terms with their feelings. There's a subtle piece of context in Lois deciding not to light her cigarette, and where they earlier broke off a passionate kiss and seemed awkward around each other, this scene differs by having Lois say "will we see you around", indicating she and Jason are staying with Richard, but that she still wants Superman in their lives, and Superman's delivery of "I'm always around" is much more positive this time, as he now understanRAB how he fits in. They clearly still love each other, but the nature of their relationship is different now. This is certainly not the classic hero-gets-the-girl ending, but a much more contemporary and realistic family dynamic, which also works on a level where Superman has essentially become Jor-El to Jason, who he now leaves in the care of two good Earthlings who can raise him in a way he couldn't do himself, similarly to what Jor-El did with baby Kal-El.

Superman then flies off into the sunset, and the movie enRAB with Supes doing a few passes for the camera in space, just like Reeve did in Donner's original.

As borderline cheesy and lacking in a real climax as this last part of the movie was, it was quite masterful in a way, and infinitely more ambitious than anything the Spider-Man movies ever managed to achieve with their characters.
 
I agree, thought the film was good. But where did he go for the five years? And I agree surely they would put two and two together about the double disappearance of Clark and Superman :confused:
 
Oh did I not like this film.

I think "Superman" to me is a more light-hearted fantasy concept than say the grittier Batman. So going to a Superman movie and finding a film with more adult ( and dour and dreary ) themes was a real let down. Incidentally I notice that the merchandising for kiRAB is in full flow on Superman Returns and there is no way that this is a kiRAB film. The beating by Lex's henchman would give most under 12's nightmares for a start (unless they liked The Passion of the Christ).

In Superman Returns Singer went to extreme pains to point out that this was a lonely alien living amongst us who was slightly off kilter with the rest of humanity. Added to that the Jesus references which were explicit to the point of battering us over the head and we end up with a Messianic figure, dying to save the world. Fine as a fan boy concept in a graphic novel, but would this ever have stood a chance of getting a big mainstream audience. Also can Singer not understand the concept of sub text. By all means have these themes but try and have them in the background of a blockbuster. I think Bryan Singer has tried to be too clever by half with his Superman and has deservedly come a cropper.

A few posters mention their feelings after watching the original Superman movies and I echo that. I came out of the cinema in 1978 on a real high. I came out of the cinema in 2006 depressed and rather angry ( which is a first in a film for me) and its because in trying to make this character more they seem to have diminished him. Its strange that, no matter how bad the original Superman film series became they still were not able to diminish the Christopher Reeve Superman, he seemed to stand apart from the awfulness that was 3 & 4. In a much more sophisticated film like SR though, Superman is virtually a non entity.

Highs as well come from scenes in a superhero blockbuster movie that pack positive emotion and unfortunately there was not much evidence of that here. The plane sequence was really rather good but it did not pack the punch of the technically inferior helicopter sequence in 1978. The ending with the "lifting of the continent" was nearly as bad as the end of "Hulk", it packed no real punch at all. I just don't think that evoking emotion in viewers a la Spielberg is Bryan Singers forte. He was the wrong director for this.

Any way rant over. Time to dig out my Superman the Movie DVD. Incidentally wouldn't it be rather fitting if the next Superman Movie that came out " follows on from Superman 2" and we could consign SR to the same bin with the non-films that are 3 & 4. (By the way the junk yard fight in S3 also packed more punch than anything in SR and so for that reason even that turkey beats SR. )

Up Up and Away
 
I think there's a few points that have put people off...

The trailer was uninspiring. The mini teaser trailer for Spiderman 3 was more interesting than the full trailer for Superman. A lot of people I've spoken to said the trailer put them off seeing it in the first place.

This film just doesn't seem to have caught the imagination of the public in the same way others of its kind have. There's been little excitment or buzz around it for the most part. Maybe amongst fans, but not the public in general.

It also doesn't have the good word of mouth that helped Batman Begins.

And it has been released at totally the wrong time - they should have pushed it back a few weeks after potc2 to avoid the clash.

As I said I didn't think by any means that it was a bad film and it wasn't that I knew nothing about the character going into it (he was probably the one I knew most about - certainly more than the x-men or spiderman), it just never really rose above 'alright' for me. If I was to list the recent comic book movies I've seen in order of preference it would probably come about 7th...
 
It seemed like any regular interview to me, and if anything in the media hurt the movie, it was the retarded accusations from the American Taliban that the movie promoted un-wed motherhood, that there weren't any American flags in the movie, and that they had changed "truth, justice, and the American way" to ""truth, justice... all that stuff". In addition to that, Singer constantly had to defend his Superman for being too gay.
 
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