State of the Ninja Turtle Franchise: Your Ramblings..

Now you did it....I want some chocolate Pie and I want it now ;)..

but you make a good point. Most people associate Shredder with he turtles franchise. They may know of the Rat King, or Baxter, or even the Triceratons thanks to the new cartoon...but the one they remember most is Shredder. He should have been in the new movie and introduced a second villain to take over the rains of the second...

Max Winters was not a bad character (Despite being a Mr.Incredible rip of in design), but he didn't need to be in the first movie. I'm STILL hoping they team up Shredder with an evil Utrom named Krang and his army of rock soldiers, but that's wishfull thinking ;)..
 
I'm with you. I've been clamoring for a movie with Shredder, Krang, The Techndrome, Bebop & Rocksteady since I walked out dissapointed after the second movie. Think how increridble they would all look with today's special effects. It would be awesome
 
Even a Direct to DVD movie with movie like special effects would be awesome....If they started on it now, it'd be ready for the 25th anniversary of the original series... but it'd only work if all the original VA's where back.

I'd also like it to be set like one of the Dragonball Z movies. Same universe, no real continutiy based form the series. It could happen any time, and where and is just a new adventure with old characters :)
 
I still like some of the stuff they do with that franchise. But let's face it, ever since 4Kids got a hold of it, it just ain't what it used to be, especially in terms of sound quality and profits...4Kids needs to realize how bad it is when it comes to the way they make their shows and anime sound. Somebody get 4Kids a better casting director (that's what you call the lady or guy who picks out the voice actors, isn't it), for god sake! That and much of their actual designs. The best looking new 4Kids show the "revisioning" of Chaotic, has character designs that look beautiful. The rest of their "Western style shows." Not really doing it for me. I watch those when nothing else is on. To me a lot of what 4Kids does lacks universal aesthetic appeal. I suspect that's part of why they're not as popular with the fans as certain other studios are.
 
Yeah that does seem a bit odd that that happens. People will like to see the old characters from new franchises, AS LONG AS the characters are presented and branded and brought to audiences in some way that is still relevant to today's society. There's a huge difference between something like, say Yu Gi Oh GX or the upcoming Chaotic series and something incredibly overly mainstream and pretentious like, say, the Star Wars prequels, which nerds everywhere still hate to this day with a passion. Not that the mainstream audience cares. But the hardcore nerds sure do, and in one sense their opinion is just as important.
 
That may be your opinion, as but I'm pretty sure the general consensus has been that as far as TMNT goes, it's basically the best televised version of the series we've ever had as well as one of 4Kids' most worthwhile works. They're bad with anime, but when it comes to home-brewed productions, they're quite good.
 
Because they're TMNT, still a very popular and visible franchise, and like many similar popular franchises it was extremely front loaded by die hard fans who rushed to go see it opening weekend( half of the opening weekend audience were made up of viewers over the age of 13), a segment WB completely ignored, TMNT should have done even better then it did opening weekend.



Again you are arguing sentimental nostalgia and personal preferences as opposed to quality, will fans always want to see familiar characters and plots, of course they would, I will not argue against that, but does that mean they will be closed minded and will automatically reject anything that is new? You need to give fans more credit then that.

If you want examples of comic book movies that didn't follow the plots of the comics or didn't feature familiar villains, yet still were critically and financially successful look no further then this years Hellboy 2 and Wanted, the latter of which, other then sharing the same name, was completely different from the comics.

Also, lets remove the notion that TMNT didn't use any familiar villains, since the movie did feature Karai and the Foot Clan as antagonists. And as to the fans reaction to the movie, Mirage comic book fans seemed to enjoy TMNT far more then Old Toon fans, since it was darker then the previous movies and kept much the elements of the old cartoon out, exact reason many of the Old Toon fans disliked the movie.



After 16 years, I believe it was a mistake not having the Shredder, in some cameo form. It would have been best to open TMNT with the "final" battle between the turtles and the Shredder, and have him killed off( we all know he is going to be resurrected anyway), then transition into the new story, that would silence most of the people wanting to see Shredder, because they actually got to see Shredder. Also keep in mind Max Winters was a disposable villain because a) he was always meant to die and b) he was not really a villain, the main focus of the movie was to be the relationships between Leo and Raph as well as the relationship between Casey and April (which was cut from final version).
 
He DID have a cameo, during the monologue in the first three minutes of the film. :sweat:

Granted, it was an image taken from the comics and colorized, but still.
 
Don't get me wrong though (please). I never really got into their version of TMNT. I'm too big of a fan of the old version of that show. I just love it TOO much. But please don't take what I say the wrong way. Some of what 4Kids do is very good, as manifested in places like the TZ forums and whatnot. And they have an insatiable fanbase. They have that going for them. I absolutely love Chaotic and Di Gata Defenders. I watch Chaotic instead of Family Guy in my bed everytime it gets aired, just about.
 
It was just the way you said "Let's face it...", which seemed to indicate that it was something we all have to face, when many people don't feel they need to. It's a valid opinion, but it's not everyone's opinion.
 
Yes. You're right. But technically you can say that about almost anyone's opinion, that it's not universal. That is where the difference between opinions and knowledge lies. I don't really believe all of my opinions to be common knowledge, if you're wondering. A lot of them are more along the lines of editorials and theories...if I had to compare my opinions to any type of writing.
 
You're entitled to your opinion of course, but I don't see why you need to choose one incarnation over the other. I mean I for one enjoy The Batman as much as I enjoy Batman The Animated Series, just as I enjoy both Superfriends and JLU.
 
I agree with the voice acting. Some of the voices used on Ninja Turtles are really annoying, as is true in all of 4K!ds shows. I also tend to find the dialogue grating at times and the music incredibly lackluster. But, I don't really see a problem with the designs. I like the dark look of the series and I especially like the way the turtles and Shredder look.



I wouldn't really go that far. I just don't see the point in creating new plots when there's so many unused plots that remain untapped.



I guess you have a point, in the sense that the main problem wasn't that they didn't use villains from the comics, but rather, that they didn't use them well. If they had made Karai the main villain of the movie and gotten rid of Max Winters entirely you'd probably have a much better movie. I guess it would be just as bad to simply have Rat King and Baxter Stockman as throwaway villains who served no purpose.



I never understand this line of reasoning even though I've heard lots of people use it. If you loved an old show, why wouldn't you want to see a new version of it? Part of the reason I like watching the new Ninja Turtles cartoon is because I loved the old show as a kid and watching the new show brings back feelings of nostalgia. I mean, following your logic, does it even matter what they do with the franchise? Won't you just love the old show too much to watch a new movie?
 
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