Starving Kitten: AKA...What the Hell Is Wrong With People?

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There are plenty of humans I'd like to see have their reproductive organs removed, rather than any dog or cat's.
 
Jesusgod.

IIRC, you're in Chicago, where there are a number of no-kill cat shelters. If you can't find a place for Miss Kitty at one of those, then yes, please take her to the pound. She stands an excellent chance of being adopted well before they have to euthanize, and if not, it's still a far better way to go than starving to death, getting hit by a car, getting eaten by a dog, etc.
 
Freudian Slit said:
rhubarbarin, is there any reason you prefer intact males? I'd always heard that most dog bites come from unneutered males.
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I had mine for 13 years and he never once was aggressive to a human. If he was frustrated by having intact bollocks and not being able to use them, he never took it out on anyone or thing that I noticed.
 
Audrey Levins, if you're in Chicago and you need help catching or transporting the kitten, PM me.
 
Contrapuntal said:
Can you come up with a reason why you should be kept alive?
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Because I'm human. I am therefore more important than animals. I exist outside of nature. And I don't go around killing other humans, so you can't kill me. Cats, on the other hand, are just biological robots. It's perfectly cool to act calously toward them, treat them as property, and destroy them as I would a clay pot I no longer wanted.

Which one of your jacked up, peanut-brained assumptions didn't I flatly deny? Let me know and I'll be sure to state blatantly why you're an idiot.
 
bucketybuck said:
Where did the kitten come from?

Why would a stray cat go to a yard, then remain in that yard even though it gets no food/water/attention from that yard?
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Strays and/or wandering pet cats wind up in our yard all the time, partly because of a favorable food supply (i.e. rabbits, chipmunks). A small black kitten emerged from the woods one day and began following Mrs. J. around the yard. We gave it food and water while looking for a home, and she wound up driving halfway to Virginia to hand off the beast to my brother, who adopted it. She has threatened to hose down the next cute widdle kitty who presents itself.

I don't think she's quite serious. But it would be nice if the neighbors did not let their cats roam/breed. We have a growing Labrador pup and a suspected coyote den somewhere in the area (judging from the nighttime yips and occasional screams of victims) and the yard is rapidly becoming a less congenial place for felines.
 
ivan astikov said:
I had mine for 13 years and he never once was aggressive to a human. If he was frustrated by having intact bollocks and not being able to use them, he never took it out on anyone or thing that I noticed.
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Yes, but that's just one dog. I'm talking about actual studies.
Here's one cite:

Male dogs are more aggressive than females, and most of the aggression is by intact males. Male dogs accounted for 70% - 87% of the attacks studied, and 60% were unneutered males.
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Any statistics on the kind of owners they had? I'd think that would be far more relevant than whether or not they were unneutered.
 
How do people feel about adopting cute little spayed or neutered kittens or puppies and then dropping them off at the shelter to get euthanized when they stop being cute?
 
I see from your profile that you're in San Antonio. A little googling shows several resources at your disposal.

The city Animal Care Services office. It highlights their commitment to no-kill sheltering.

The San Antonio Humane Society.

The Feral Cat Coalition. Their website notes that feral kittens can often be tamed and made available for adoption. My link goes to the page that advertises the cats that they have available to adopt.
 
* Reaching toward a dog to pet him did not constitute contributory negligence. Ellsworth v. Elite Dry Cleaners, etc., Inc. (1954) 127 Cal.App.2d 479.

* Playing with a dog and patting his head did not constitute assumption of the risk. Smythe v. Schacht (1949) 93 Cal.App.2d 315.

* Feeding a dog did not constitute assumption of the risk. Burden v. Globerson (1967) 252 Cal.App.2d 468.
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I don't agree with these. Nobody should have the right to come within touching distance of my dog while it's on its leash, without a court order, or something. My dog isn't a communal pet.
 
ivan astikov said:
Any statistics on the kind of owners they had? I'd think that would be far more relevant than whether or not they were unneutered.
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No, but if the study was done well, it should have been a randomized sample of dogs, so the kind of owners wouldn't matter.

I don't think that anyone should have the right to come up and pet your dog but that your dog is probably not that well trained if it reacts by biting.
 
Freudian Slit said:
No, but if the study was done well, it should have been a randomized sample of dogs, so the kind of owners wouldn't matter.
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I'm sure a study that was done well would realise that the occurrence of totally "random" dog-bites was so small as to be insignificant. Negligence by the owner is probably by far the biggest factor in incidents of dog attacks.
Freudian Slit said:
I don't think that anyone should have the right to come up and pet your dog but that your dog is probably not that well trained if it reacts by biting.
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So, if an old dear feels the need for a protective dog to accompany her to the post office when she cashes her pension money, anybody should be able to walk within the circle of her leash's limits without fear of being bitten?
 
ivan astikov said:
I'm sure a study that was done well would realise that the occurrence of totally "random" dog-bites was so small as to be insignificant. Negligence by the owner is probably by far the biggest factor in incidents of dog attacks.
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Well I don't know the details of that study but if all other things are equal and unneutered dogs bite, then I would think that it's a fairly big factor.

So, if an old dear feels need for a protective dog to accompany her to the post office when she cashes her pension money, anybody should be able to walk within the circle of her leash's limits without fear of being bitten?
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Well, yeah. If just walking that close to a dog makes it bite, then there's something seriously wrong and old dear needs to call in a dog whisperer.

Though are those factors you listed--feeding the dog, petting it--necessarily strangers? Couldn't they also be for friends or owners of the dog? If a dog is biting a stranger that pets it, that's not good, but if it bites its own owner for doing that, it's even worse.
 
Sailboat said:
Perhaps we are considering "euthanizing" the wrong party in this dilemma.
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I agree. I don't understand people's callousness towards suffering creatures. And then they just talk about it as if it's no big deal? Psychos.
 
Chessic Sense said:
Because I'm human. I am therefore more important than animals.
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Because you say so? OK. The cat should live because I say so.

I exist outside of nature.
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Actually, you don't.


And I don't go around killing other humans, so you can't kill me.
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Your question was whether something should be kept alive. But thanks for playing.


Cats, on the other hand, are just biological robots. It's perfectly cool to act calously toward them, treat them as property, and destroy them as I would a clay pot I no longer wanted.
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Many serial killers started as animal torturers. You're in good company.


Which one of your jacked up, peanut-brained assumptions didn't I flatly deny?
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Deny all you want. Denial is not refutation. You can look it up.


Let me know and I'll be sure to state blatantly why you're an idiot.
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See above.
 
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