Julianus Flavius
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Seriously, look at what he's achieved:
1) Turning a peaceful, if primitive, religion into a dogmatic example of how religion can be a poison spreading naught but misery
2) Using said religion to force women form a role of prominence in ancient society into the kitchen
3) Providing the fanatics with an excuse to destroy civilisation where previously no such excuse existed
and, finally,
4) Corrupting and bringing down one of the greatest empires in hostory.
Why is he idolized in Christianity? Your religion would be beneficial to society if it weren't for him. Think: There wouldn't have been the destruction of temples in the late 'Roman' empire, no inquisitions, no crusades, just religious peace. Sure, there would still be wars, but at least religion would be off limits to violence.
How can christians follow the teachings of this guy?
To quote (Damn, I can't remember his name, that Indian freedom guy)
"I like your chirst, I do not like your christians. Your christians are very different from your christ"
The reason for that is Saul of Tarsus.
Elisabeth: Look, I have reasarched the Roman Empire extensively, and this man undermined the virtuous Roman way to his own ends, and seriously limited women's opportunities in the new world he created.
I do know about history. Especially Roman history.
[As in all churches of God's holy people, women are to remain quiet in the assemblies, since they have no permission to speak: theirs is a subordinate part, as the Law itself says. If there is anything they want to know, they should ask their husbands at home: it is shameful for a woman to speak in the assembly. Do you think that you are the source of the word of God? Or that you are the only people to whom it has come? (1 Cor. 14: 33b-36).]
yeah. Fantastic. Hypatia of Alexandria. More brilliant than most men. According to Paul, she would have to remain silent, not empart her wisdom where ignorance thrives in greatest concentration: A catholic church.
Another example: Jesus said nothing on homosexuality, but Saul despised it. Because of that, it would be easier to be 'gay' in ancient, pre-Saul society than nowdays. It's easy to sow hatred, but much harder to remove it.
Barf: then please explain. I am listening, I will happily read an explanation of Saul/Pau's works no matter how long, that's why I asked the question. Specifically, why does he bid women silent in church? Why does he seem to support fanaticism and rejection of other religions?
1) Turning a peaceful, if primitive, religion into a dogmatic example of how religion can be a poison spreading naught but misery
2) Using said religion to force women form a role of prominence in ancient society into the kitchen
3) Providing the fanatics with an excuse to destroy civilisation where previously no such excuse existed
and, finally,
4) Corrupting and bringing down one of the greatest empires in hostory.
Why is he idolized in Christianity? Your religion would be beneficial to society if it weren't for him. Think: There wouldn't have been the destruction of temples in the late 'Roman' empire, no inquisitions, no crusades, just religious peace. Sure, there would still be wars, but at least religion would be off limits to violence.
How can christians follow the teachings of this guy?
To quote (Damn, I can't remember his name, that Indian freedom guy)
"I like your chirst, I do not like your christians. Your christians are very different from your christ"
The reason for that is Saul of Tarsus.
Elisabeth: Look, I have reasarched the Roman Empire extensively, and this man undermined the virtuous Roman way to his own ends, and seriously limited women's opportunities in the new world he created.
I do know about history. Especially Roman history.
[As in all churches of God's holy people, women are to remain quiet in the assemblies, since they have no permission to speak: theirs is a subordinate part, as the Law itself says. If there is anything they want to know, they should ask their husbands at home: it is shameful for a woman to speak in the assembly. Do you think that you are the source of the word of God? Or that you are the only people to whom it has come? (1 Cor. 14: 33b-36).]
yeah. Fantastic. Hypatia of Alexandria. More brilliant than most men. According to Paul, she would have to remain silent, not empart her wisdom where ignorance thrives in greatest concentration: A catholic church.
Another example: Jesus said nothing on homosexuality, but Saul despised it. Because of that, it would be easier to be 'gay' in ancient, pre-Saul society than nowdays. It's easy to sow hatred, but much harder to remove it.
Barf: then please explain. I am listening, I will happily read an explanation of Saul/Pau's works no matter how long, that's why I asked the question. Specifically, why does he bid women silent in church? Why does he seem to support fanaticism and rejection of other religions?