Spring ahead...

On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:29:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
wrote:


Honestly, I just don't get it. This is the modern age. Drop that
stupid Daylight Savings. Tea Partiers should get behind that one.
Stop government oppression, stop Daylight Savings Time!

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
sf wrote:

In my state many many years ago the people voted DST down on a state wide
ballot by a large margin. However, the state legislatures voted it in
anyways a month later. So it goes to show that our politicians do not
listen to the people.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)
 
On Mar 14, 4:51?pm, Nad R wrote:


Generally, that's a good thing. Otherwise we might just as well
get rid of the legislature and let the people vote themselves any
stupid thing that occurs to them.

And while that's an attractive thought, I doubt it would end well.

Cindy Hamilton
 
Cindy Hamilton wrote:

In California that's called the Initiative process. Most of it works
okay. Some of it has been idiocy.

One case that worked on the same pattern was declaring English the
official language of California. It was voted in by a landslide of the
voting citizens. There's a clause in it that acknowledges that the Fed
outranks the state on the matter and if the Fed insists then that's
that. Sure enough the Fed insisted.
 
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:51:08 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
wrote:


I was wondering why and under what circumstances Michigan went to DST.
They still weren't resetting clocks when I left in high school. We
could get Chicago POP stations at night and I remember feeling sorry
for all the people that had to bounce back and forth between times.

Seems unconstitutional that they'd go ahead and make something like
DST official against the will of a majority of the voters.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:34:06 -0400, Dave Smith
wrote:


Do you really, really, really want all of us to move to Canada Dave?

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
J. Clarke wrote:

Then the vote should have been an amendment to the state constitution so
the state legislature could not reverse it.


When a referendum is not a state constitutional amendment then the
legislature has the same general rank as the referendum.

The responses should be:

1) Vote out any representative who voted in favor of overturning the
referendum.

2) Put it through the process again but this time as a state
constitutional amendment.

The potential remains that the case could be declared a federal matter
by the federal court system. That happened with the recent California
state amendment that defined a marriage as being between a man and a
women (a whole can of worms in and of itself). Would changes to
daylight savings time rules become a federal case? It wasn't when
Arizona declined to participate.


Ah, the lame old semantics that the word democracy, as usually used to
label western republics, does not mean what it is used to mean. Anyone
who did not fail elementary school civics knows this and knows the
common usage of the words. The US is definitely a democracy in the
common usage of the word because the common usage does include
the republic sub-class.

Class democracy - Includes representative republic sub-classes as well
as direct vote by the population sub-classes.
 
In article , [email protected]
says...

Except that a republic is not a democracy, no matter how the government
indoctrination centers try to convince you that it is.

The Founders knew what a democracy was and they wanted no part of it.


Yeah, blatant propagandizing along the way to doing away with the
republic and replacing it with a democracy.
 
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 08:46:14 -0500, Hell Toupee
wrote:


It's also supposed to be a representative government that reflects the
will of the people, not autocratic. The voters of Michigan weren't
smart enough to vote out those who dictated to them and vote in
politicians who would rescind the law, so they got what they voted
for: Politicians who don't listen to the will of the people.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:13:07 -0500, Hell Toupee
wrote:


It's a big deal. Pick one or the other and stick with it. Times have
changed dramatically from Ben Franklin's day. We have electric
streetlights and automobiles now.


They chose to be in the position.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
On 15/03/2011 12:46 PM, sf wrote:


Try not to expect too much from them. American politics tends to be
extremely polarized. Being a member of one party or the other tends to
automatically presume a whole set of values and political stands;
taxes, immigration, gun control, abortion etc. Day light savings
time???? I can't see it being a big issue for politicians. My
countrymen don't seem to be impressed with extending DST and just seem
to accept it as something that came from our neighbour and trading
partner. That stops anyone here from having to take the blame.
 
On 3/13/2011 11:41 AM, John Kuthe wrote:

The clocks were changed, but I forgot to change the clock on the coffee
pot, it automatically makes coffee at 5:30am. I woke up at 3:00 and I
remembered it, so I got up and changed the clock.

Becca
 
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:27:21 -0400, Dave Smith
wrote:


Apparently it was big enough for Michigan politicians that they went
against the will of the people. They must have gotten some really
good palm greasing by "concerned" lobbyists.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
On Mar 15, 11:11?am, Doug Freyburger wrote:


I am definitely opposed to this. The constitution is the
document that defines the relationship between the government
and the people. Daylight savings time, Prohibition, marriage
(which is a contract between two people): none of that
belongs in the constitution.

Cindy Hamilton
 
J. Clarke wrote:

Meaningful definition of a republic that excludes it from being a
democracy - There are no elections in that coutry or there is no choice
of candidates in their elections. There are in fact countries that
claim to be republics that do not have choices in their elections.
These often have names like "people's republic" or other nice sounding
but fake terms.

Meaningless word game of a republic that asserts it is not a democracy -
There are elections with choice of candidates. There is also denial
about what the words mean.

Republic is a subset of democracy. To deny that a republic is a
democracy is to play a transparent word twisting game.
 
On 14/03/2011 10:27 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:



I ran into that problem when we went to Estonia and Sweden mid June two
years ago. We took a red eye flight Toronto to Schipol, four hour
layover and then about two hours to Tallin, arriving there there in the
early afternoon, and absolutely exhausted. I didn't realize how late it
was getting because it wasn't getting dark. We finally went to bed about
midnight when it dimmed a little. By 1 am it was bright again. A week
later we headed directly west to Stockholm to visit a friend of my wife
where we were to spend the week leading up to Midsummer. Shortly after
midnight the son tipped over the horizon, leaving a glow and a half our
later it was coming up on the other direction. By 2 am it was as bright
as it is here mid morning.

To make matters worse, the sky always seemed to be clear from 1 am until
5 am. Then it would start to cloud over. We could pretty well count on
rain by noon. The weather was perfectly suited for night owls.
 
On 3/14/2011 1:21 PM, sf wrote:

Seriously! I heard on the news that Monday after the DST change has the
most incidents of heart attacks and car accidents.

Funny, though, that this article (2 years old) says car accidents are
reduced during DST. The reasoning makes sense to me, so maybe the report
I just heard was about morning rush hour accidents, where it's likely to
still be dark.

http://health.usnews.com/health-new...robably-didnt-know-about-daylight-saving-time
 
Back
Top