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James, to his brother (on the phone): "Serene's making soup right now.
From SCRATCH!"

Silly man. I've been making soup from scratch, and blogging about it,
pretty much since he's known me, lo these 8 or 9 years.

Today's soup is split pea with ham, onions, carrots, celery, thyme,
sage, salt, pepper. Smells delightful in here!

We still have some rainy season to go before it warms up around here;
soup is still my go-to meal. I think we had soup four times last week,
but that might not count, since three of the four times, it was kimchi
soup.

Serene
--
http://www.momfoodproject.com
 
M. JL Esq. wrote:


May seem pointless to you, but in Italian cuisine a soup would be
a normal primi, a meat course is a typical secondi [*], and vegetables
are served either with the secondi, or afterwards.

Steve

[*] I am, of course, mixing up my singulars and plurals here.
 
On 3/23/2011 3:47 PM, Serene Vannoy wrote:

That soup sounds wonderful. Do you serve bread with the soup? It is 83
degrees here, and I still enjoy eating soup.

Becca
 
On 23/03/2011 4:47 PM, Serene Vannoy wrote:

I am relatively new to soup making, but for the last few months I have
been making them at least once a week. I just finished a batch of beef
barley. Last week it was split pea. Chopped up and sauteed carrot,
onion, celerey and sauteed. Then I tossed in a chunk of smoked ham hock,
some water, split peas, pepper and bay leaf. I boiled it gently until
the peas were mushy. I don't add any salt. It getgs enough from the ham
hock. That stuff is delicious.


I am out of soup now and I am thinking that tomorrow I will make some
lentil curry soup.
 
On 03/23/2011 03:07 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

You know, as soon as you said that, I realized I skipped the salt and
just put in plenty of pepper, reasoning that the ham was salty enough.
Didn't need more salt.


My mom and I tease about me making that for her. She hates all things
lentil and all things curry, so curried lentils are code for "something
mom will hate". :-)

Serene

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http://www.momfoodproject.com
 
Serene Vannoy wrote:


Im told i make wonderful soups, and i thoroughly enjoy the making of them.

Its just that soup never seems to satisfy me, eating a bowl of soup
before the meats and veggies just seems pointless to me.

Though i have appreciated it in restaurants i have gone to because i was
hungry and then a bowl of soup while waiting for the rest of the meal is
even better than a bread stick:)
--
JL
 
Serene Vannoy wrote:

I regularly cook for an elderly relative who prefers them also.

And a thick, hearty, rich stew is not anything but technically soup:)

Any more than it is a ragu or pottage.

But even the thickest and chunkiest of cream soups and even meaty
fricassees leave me feeling like i have not eaten.

Now that i think of it i have some fond memories of a bowl of French
onion soup, with a big slice of bread & cheese in it. On a balcony in
San Francisco's North Beach.....some chowders and i seem to recall a sea
food stew....

When i am making soup, i often make a meal of it in its various stages
of cooking.

I like to make a veggie stock & any beans, legumes, peas, pasta & etc.
separately. Adding any fresh vegetable to finish.

As im cooking it and putting it all together i make my self several
small bowls, i like a lot of the beans i cook, just plain boiled with a
bit of salt, and a splash of any number of possible condiments, often
just a dash of cayenne flakes. I sometimes make hopping john just for a
bowl of plain boiled black eyed peas with a dash of cayenne.

These days any meats i might add to it are cooked separately and added
to individual servings.

Now left over curried cream of broccoli soup on toast with a bit of
bacon.....
--
JL
 
MMMMMmmmmmm. Love soups, and split pea is one of my favorites. I have
all the fixins here to make it, but today we are eating the corned
beef flat that DH smoked low and slow for 9 hours on Tuesday.
We'd intended to eat it that night, thinking a small piece of brisket
would not take as long as doing a packer cut. WRONG!! Last night we
had a dinner to go to, so tonights the night!! We sampled it
yesterday and it was delicious, if a little salty. Next time we'll
soak it a while with a couple of water changes to reduce the salt. We
don't need extra at our ages.

When we have soup it is a full meal, we both feel satisfied. The
cornbread with jalapeno sounds great Serene. Will try that soon too.
Nan in DE
 
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 14:26:08 -0800 in rec.food.cooking, "M. JL Esq."
wrote,

Perhaps try adding the meats and veggies to the soup?
 
In article ,
"M. JL Esq." wrote:

....


You are, of course, entitled to whatever style of contributing dishes
and presentation at your meals that you prefer. But I find the above a
bit odd, when viewed against my own preferences/practices. Not trying
to "change" your opinions or usage, but for me the choice is not soup
"as meal" versus "an insubstantial and minor part" of a meal. Even when
I serve a soup as the single most substantial element, there will usually
be a salad, and probably bread, to supplement it. But most commonly, a
soup will be one of two or three major components. Whether it is Onion
Soup, Tom Kah Gai, Tom Yum Goong, Miso Soup, Gazpacho, Avocado Soup,
Vietnamese Crab-Asparagus Soup, or whatever -- there is _always_
something else. And family style is fine (though my immediate dinner
companions usually prefer a "soup first, then bring the rest" service),
it is not really quite a matter of "courses" -- and I'm fine with
everything being on the table at once (or more or less randomly as
things are ready, which is the typical service style I found in South-
East Asia, particularly in Thailand.)

I don't think I have _ever_ served a soup that could be called "an
insubstantial and minor part of a more substantial repast", even if
it's a relatively light element (as miso soup tends to be in my use).


Which seems to imply that you think of soups as irrelevant to nutrition
and feeding people. Extremely odd, I think. Soups are traditionally a
_major_ part of simple nutritious family meals.

The diatribe with which you wind up suggests that you have some "issues",
I think! :-) A soup course, or a soup component together with everything
else, need not have the slightest resemblance to the over-the-top twee
stereotype you are invoking here...
 
Steve Pope wrote:


Some sort of mental elision?

Conceptual misunderstanding?

We, the elderly relative and i, still take at least one meal together
every day at the kitchen table. Sometimes 2 or 3 but less often these
days.

And when we do we don't eat in courses of 1st, 2nd and 3rd. (i have a
menu for a 40 course meal) if i am not serving her one of her favourite
soups in a bowl by its self, with bread if she wishes, then often as
not its meat and 2 veggies or a casserole which i will serve a small
salad with.

Sometimes i serve what i call a "big dinner salad" served with diced
breast of cooked chicken marinated in my vinaigrette, serves for a
complete meal. But i put all sorts of good things in it, olives,
shrimp, artichoke hearts, garbonzoes, croutons & etc. along with all the
more common salad greens and veggies, toss with my own vinaigrette or
buttermilk/blue cheese dressing and serve in garlic rubbed bowls.

I often save the last bit for an hour or so and eat it later:)

There's a brief, narrow window between the salad being well and overly
marinated in the dressing. But the passage of a few hours is not as
awful as it might seem. I have taken left over salad from the night
before, in its well marinated, almost pickled state and used it to make
very delicious omelettes with the next morning:)

We both snack a lot, have bites of this and that throughout the day,
there's usually pastry and fruit around, i would probly live on
sandwiches if it weren't for the elderly relative who likes to start the
day with toast, cereal and a boiled egg.

But i just never got into the habit of a soup as part of a meal. As a
meal is one thing, but as an insubstantial and minor part of a more
substantial repast .... i just never serve it that way.

Even when i entertained with some muted formality i preferred serving
hors de ourvres or canapes or even a savoury as a first course in those
few meals i served in courses.

I much preferred the family style way, i like to have all the food on
the table rather than served in separate courses but even then a simple
soup seems to have no more place in a fully cooked meal than any other
slight, ephemeral, really irrelevant simple foodstuff would.

I serve food to supply nutrition, to feed people, at one time i did not
understand that some people dined as something to do, not because they
need nutrition or were hungry.

I have been to those types of places where the restaurant was a theatre,
and the food the star of the show, that was served elaborately and even
if its possible with an elaborate simplicity that often included
insulting portions costing hugh amounts of money.

Somebody's got to pay for the accoutrements, the environment and service
of it as well as the actual food.

In which case a tsp. or 2 of some pastel liquid followed by a bite of
fish and a nibble of barely cooked beef washed down with a sip of wine
and then the pallet cleansed with a delicate ice which can then be
followed by a vibrant explosion of exotically spiced chocolate is
understandable, as theatre, but not as dinner:)
--
JL
 
Michael Siemon wrote:

Really? just some off the cuff observations, with a bit of my routinely
feeble attempt at humour, that's all...
--
JL
 
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:16:48 -0800, "M. JL Esq."
wrote:


Most folks feel the same about canned soups... what makes restaurant
soup du jour is the plate scrapings added to #10 cans.
 
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