South Park "Dances With Smurfs" Talkback

Why? It's okay to make unsupported allegations that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young woman in 1990, but we can't do so much as call Rachel Maddow "obnoxious"?
 
Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I said awhile back. Both liberal and conservative sides of the political spectrum are riddled with troubles. It's not that difficult a concept to grasp, and yet there's so much one-side bias in this world. Fox New is biased; CNN and MSNBC are biased, the fans and detractors of both these networks are biased...politics just plain makes people stupid. :yawn:



O'Reilly I'll give you (from what I've seen of the guy, he only really goes over-the-top in debate with someone, and that frequently happens to any debater no matter what the subject matter; and he cuts Obama far more slack than other pundits), but Hannity? From what I've seen, the guy rants and raves about political matters like in a debate when there's nobody else in the room with him, ala Keith Olbermann (MSNBC's resident looney, for those who don't know.) I wouldn't say Hannity's all that different from Beck.
 
Pure awesomeness. It's episodes like this that are the reason why I watch South Park. Wendy turning everything against Cartman was so satisfying to watch.
 
That opening segment was the most horrible thing this show has done in, well, since the Scott Tennorman episode. Just horrible!

The Cartman as Beck segments did seem to run long, specially at the beginning. But having the ACLU show up to enforce his 'free speech' was funny (and ironic, from a partisan perspective). Once the Smurfs showed up, I was half expecting them to be bombed, like in the old UN commercial...But to have that whole development lead to an Avatar joke? That was priceless! I laughed so hard I didn't even hear the second half of Cartman's rant!

And Cartmen being ripped on by a foul-mouthed Casey Casem made for a good closing chuckle.
 
Also just FYI, South Park has kind of riffed on O'Reilly before, but they didn't really go that far with it.

O'Reilly has also fingered and singled out South Park as being bad before. In his first best-selling book he said South Park and the movie were bad and that the the movie didn't make money. Which is weird considering the movie only cost like $20 million and pulled in a $50 domestic haul. So it did pretty well all things considered.
 
Hence, the point of the snark.:D

But you are merely clouding the real issue of whether or not Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. REAL Americans deserve answers to these kinds of questions.;):p

This is what I love about tea-baggers. You are so utterly self-unaware that you actually think that I am trying to say that Beck really did this. The site called didglenbeckrapeandmurderayounggirl.com was taken down but before it was it had a bunch of particularly stupid tea-baggers actually writing posts defending Beck and saying there was no proof. Which is the EXACT same way people who complain about Beck have been forced to frame their arguments against this liar. There has never been any proof that Obama's mother ever VISITED Kenya, much less the idea that he was born there. There is no proof about Beck's lies about the President being like Hitler and secretly building concentration camps either but the fact that Beck frames the question the way he does means that the liberal counterpart has already lost the argument whether it is true or not. That's why Wendy's response to Cartman was so brilliant if unfeasable to pull off in any real-world situation. The fact that they (and apparently you) are completely oblivious to the satire of the site and the google bomb both gives me hope that the good guys are gonna win and saddens me about the state of our education system.

Edit: Couldn't let this go:

There is no mainstream liberal equivalent to Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity and I'm sick of the politically lazy saying there is. Keith Olbermann comes closest (he likes the sound of his own voice too much and is prone to SERIOUS hyperbole) but he still says essentially true things. Maddow and even Moore aren't in the same ballpark. Both of their views are mainstream if biased towards the liberal viewpoint. The fact that they constantly get scape-goated by the right for being liberal counterpoints to Beck et al doesn't change the fact that NOTHING they say is as fringe or looney tunes as the worst commentaters on the right. Bill Maher was FIRED from ABC for his liberal (if wrong-headed) viewpoint about terrorists after 9/11 and if Olbermann, Maddow or Moore ever started supporting armed insurrection like Beck does they too would be fired. It's a double-standard. I don't mind it so much, because at least they aren't really harming liberal causes with their shows but I'm tired of them constantly being used as two sides of the same coin when they really are not.
 
Well, Hannity is more enjoyable to watch/listen to as he doesn't just rave on and on about Obama this or Obama that. He actually does some nonpolitical things too, but not to say Beck doesn't, Hannity just doesn't go as extreme as Beck does, with writing things out on a chalkboard.
 
Well it's been awhile espeically this half season but the more jerky just generally likes to grate people Eric Cartman is back. This time attacking Wendy but not through threats but rather through Fox News esque commentary (also his hair at the end made me think this is sort of a Daily News spoof as well. Then again most news men have that kind of hair anyway. Including Beck who I don't really know too much about truthfully). This was an episode that took awhile to get going (the killing of the morning annoucement kid seemed like a spoof of something but truthfully I don't pay attention enough to the news to know what exactly) but things got started once Cartman took over as announcer and essistantly made it an anti Wendy brigade. I didn't think it'd turn into a spoof of the bashing Obama's getting but at least this ep answered why it was called "Dances With Smurfs" due to the ridiciolous documentary. I guess there was a Smurf village since Cartman couldn't have good enough effects to create those smurfs but he would defintley be an ******* enough to run them over just to blame Wendy for it which was the best scene in the ep. I also liked all the bits with Butters (including him having to buy the book and peeing on Wendy's house) and Wendy turning it on Eric by making him president and making him find out his idea was already used in Avatar (I guess they're not going to do a full movie mock this half season but at least it's good to refrence probably teh fall's supposedly biggest hit) as Cartman finds out being president kind of sucks since you can't do anything. And that was actually one of the best Cartman gets his endings ever acutally with him crying after the Casey Kid insulted him. So yeah pretty good ep. Not as good as I was hoping truthfully but still nice stuff and always good to see more from Wendy.
 
....Wow. You really are biased to the point of delusion, aren't you?

If you honestly think that Olbermann, Maddow, Moore, etc. aren't as crazy as the conservative pundits that act the same way, it's only because you agree with their far left views and think that this is the ONLY sane, reasonable opinion anyone could possibly have. In your black-and-white mentality, liberalism = good and conservatism = evil, and anyone who dares disagree are "misinformed", "lazy", "uneducated", etc. Really, you're beginning to sound like the kind of liberal South Park typically loves to mock: smug and self-righteous, and with a big victim complex about how your political views are treated, along with a superiority complex towards "teabaggers" or anyone who doesn't share these views. Sorry if you're offended by this, but I'm calling things how I see them here.

Political views are ALWAYS two sides of the same coin. Your side is not perfect. Accept it and move on.
 
Finally saw it today. I knew from the previews that Cartman was going to become a pundit. Did not know it would go down the Glenn Beck route...

I used to watch Glenn Beck's show. I thought he was good. However, once he went to Fox News (which happened at the beginning of this year), I started to hate him and not watch. He truly went off of the deep end. My dad still watches him and the DirecTV receiver in the living room is auto-tuned to the show when it comes on at 5 (if was auto-tuned like T-Pain, I would glance at it). The views expressed on this and any politically-leaning show (left, right, who cares?) eats into the fear and hate responses in my brain and, recently, make me wish for Horizons to re-open at Epcot like Topless Robot wanted. (Scroll down for reason) Very not healthy.

So, when the graphics for the morning announcements came up, and they looked like Beck's Fox program, I busted out a smile on my face.:) It felt good to see Cartman go crazy like him. The "Dances With Smurfs" segment was nuts, as was Wendy's response and how it tied all in to the creation of James Cameron's Avatar. But, it's all good. It's strange that this, the 6th episode, was the first current events episode in this half (second if you count "Dead Celebrities", which is the customary post-break final-take on the events during their 'vacation'), but it was good. As far as current events episodes so far this season, "Dances With Smurfs" is second to "Margaritaville" in being the best.

Other bits:
-When the original Morning Announcements kid was going through his final moments, I kept thinking to myself: "Darkest sketch! Darkest sketch!"
-Casey Miller was a perfect, foul-mouthed take on Casey Kasem. I can see the real man say that on the radio.
-Butters peeing on Wendy's house (and maybe Wendy's dad) was classic Butters.

Can't wait to learn what the finale brings.
 
For one thing liberals haven't been the ones assassinating conservative politicians and leaders for all of these years so I don't see any connection between right-wing violence and supposed left wing violence. We can discuss this particular subject further through PMs (I always enjoy debating with you because you're awesome);) but I don't feel really comfortable talking about it on a public board. This is partially my fault for bringing the subject up but in a topic about South Park and Glenn Beck it's pretty much inevitable. Even the South Park episode took a shot at all of Beck's assassination talk in the part where Butters is goaded to pee on Wendy's house so I KNOW it's not just me.

Second of all, you can't seriously be equating shirts sold in a T-shirt shop with a national TV pundit, can you? I supposed if some liberal politician attended and supported an event where people were wearing them, you could I guess, but if you have some evidence of that, I'd like to see it (honestly).
Actually I do. Bill Maher sucks and has always sucked. He says politically irresponsible things all the time and I'm a little bit flummoxed why some people on the left have embraced this butthole. But he's a Libertarian, not a Democrat even though he's endorsed Dems for the past couple of elections. People on the left accept him into our ranks at their own peril.

Just because I'm a liberal doesn't mean I embrace everything all liberals embrace. For instance, I loathe Bill Clinton, always have, always will. For different reasons than some Republicans to be sure but for the same reasons as a lot of them too.

Do any of these college demonstrations have Democratic politicians or leaders in attendance? Because having a national audience is the dealbreaker for me.So calling Obama a Nazi ISN'T slander. Got it. :p

How many black Nazis have you heard of anyways?;)
 
I will.:evil:

BrendaBat, there is one more thing about your previous post I would like to address. You seem to equate the progressive movement with stuff that is happening on college campuses. None of the demonstrations I've seen promoted on progressive websites take place on college campuses and almost all of them are organized and attended by older people. All I'm saying is it's a shame that the message you took from those idiots on that college campus is that liberals are extremists. Because the message I take from stuff like that is that the younger activists are often stupid and politically tone-deaf.

This is a big reason the tea-baggers frighten me. Most of those Nazi signs are held up by MUCH older people who should by all rights, know better. I can forgive the younger generation for engaging in hyperbole (I was a stupid kid once too) but Beck and his audience are old enough to know exactly what they are doing.
 
Is that like your catchphrase or something?

I thought the episode was great and a fresh new take, though I actually occasionally enjoy watching Glenn Beck myself. Glad to know he seems to have enjoyed it too.
 
I need to jump in here. I thought the episode was brilliant.

That being said, there doesn't exist a person who is far more useless than the political pundit. They're all pieces of human garbage, all of them.

I would like nothing more than to take Glenn Beck, Keith Olbermann, Sean Hannity, Maddow, Gibson, and the rest of these bottom sucking mouth breathers, put them all on a boat... sail it out over the Mariana's Trench and sink it. Put REAL journalists back on. If I want an opinion, I trust that I am smart enough to hear the facts and form my own. I feel bad for the people who listen to pundits, they need to have someone else think for them.

And they all lie. They all distort the truth. Even the ones you happen to agree with are doing it.



Would that happen to be anything you personally disagree with?
 
Really? Nobody's holding a gun to your head and forcing you to make up stuff about people who support views you diagree with.


Considering that his father and his poor brother (who he completely ingores and hasn't given any money to) live in Kenya, it's not as much of a stretch to say Obama was born there as it is to say that Glenn Beck, who has never publicly exhibited pedophile-like traits, raped and murdered a young girl.


I doubt Obama is building concentration camps, but you have to admit that some of the people he has associated with don't exactly love white people. And no, I don't think anybody's "already lost an argument" against Beck. It's just that he is persuasive, and most of the stuff he says has some truth to it, and therefore, liberal pundits are somewhat scared to go after him.


Yeah, because the liberals are this country's only "good guys." :rolleyes:


Really? Personality-wise, Olbermann, Moore, and Maddow are all quite similar to Beck, Limbaugh, and Hannity, but they simply appeal to the other side of the political spectrum. They're all somewhat obnoxious, but that obnoxiousness is what makes their shows entertaining.

Ratings-wise, however, the conservative pundits are winning right now because polls are showing that the Republican party has been wooing moderates away from the Democrats for months now. It's not a severe "double standard" at all. Was anyone calling it a double standard in 2004 when the liberal pundits were more visible and calling for Kerry to be elected?

BTW, along the same lines as when you said Glenn Beck uses code words for assassination, I guess "politically irresponsible" is your code word for "it's a conservative idea, so I'm going to automatically reject it without entertaining it first."
 
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