Someone help me understand the debate over United States Immigration Laws.?

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tim

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I am not trying to start a debate and I am not feigning ignorance. I just do not understand the debate. We have immigration laws. Immigration is legal and allowed and there is a procedure. Why is there a need to change them? It seems to be Mexican Immigrants that have a problem with our laws. Do we have a different set of Immigration laws for Mexicans? Do Mexicans believe that they should have a different set of laws applied to them then are applied to German, French or Canadian Immigrants who want to live and work here? I don't understand.
I really didnt want this to turn into the same old debate. I have my own views, but feel like I must be missing something. What I am gathering is that we have immigration laws, but some groups of immigrants do not want to abide by them or think they are too hard or strict and want them changed to accomodate them or they will ignore them and break the law. I try to put myself into the other persons shoes. If I was trying to live and work in Germany, or the U.K. and I did not follow their laws(no matter what or how complicated their visa or citizenship laws are) how would I expect to be treated? I really am not looking for a fight it just seems SO simple to me that I must be missing something.
 
GameOver03 wrote:"people who are undocumented are usually people who have less money than documented immigrants , its not than they do not respect the law is than they wouldn't be accepted if they applied for a visa . they usually have a purpose which is of providing for their families and/or have been victims of having somebody sick in their families , an economic crisis in their countries , unfair trade and sometimes even natural disasters such as hurricanes and earthquakes . i believe than if they were allowed a way to come legally into the USA most would use that way , nobody likes being undocumented .

the immigration laws are though and according to the country you are from the rules may be harder to comply with , sometimes it doesn't really matter how much you work to achieve your goals and try to come legally because the wages are way lower for the country you are from , it is a complicated matter and the reasons why people end up coming illegally into the USA are pretty diverse ..."
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What you don't say is that there are literally BILLIONS of people in the world in the situation you describe which makes it all the more important that we have rules that would-be immigrants follow in the interests of FAIRNESS to both the immigrant and the U.S. citizen. What you also don't say is that most LEGAL immigration to the U.S. is due to FAMILY REUNIFICATION (running about 800,000 a year now), that many of these legal immigrants are low-skilled and uneducated, and that 15-20% of them come from just one country, MEXICO. In short, Mexico has a lock on our legal immigration due to the 1986 amnesty. Amnestied illegal aliens became eligible to sponsor their family members for residency here and that to a great extent is why would-be immigrants from countries such as Mexico and the Philippines have such long waits.

Fact of the matter is, though, that our immigration policy should first and foremost be in the interest of AMERICANS in general. That means that immigrants need to be able to support themselves without becoming net users of taxpayers' money. That means that we should not admit so many that they re-create the situations in their home countries of too many people seeking too few jobs. That means in situations like today, where unemployment runs well over 10%, that even legal immigration should be cut back and that it becomes all the more important to enforce the sponsorship provisions for immigrants requiring their sponsors to support them.
 
There is a political problem behind the millions of illegal mexicans living in the USA, specially in California. I believe they are over 2 millions of those illegals and the goverment just don't know what to do with them. One of the problem is that many American citizens and some US companies have given work to those people by paying them less than the minimum wage required by the law.
You got the picture. On top of that there is a profond misunderstanding regarding that problem with the Mexican goverment. They refuse to cooperate.
The fact is that Mexico is kind of happy about the situation cause they surely save money on their welfare.
 
I dont have the answer to your question - I just asked basically the same thing!

You have a response from someone who is defending the situation.
And a response from someone who is fed up with the situation.

I was born here in the US. My sister married an Illegal and they have a baby. What a mess. But what surprized me was that when she started going grocery shopping after she had her baby, and the baby obviously looks Mexican - a Mexican that works in the meat department of the store started repricing the meat packages for her. And I mean dirt cheap. So she goes there and gets a discount now and is basically screwing the owners, the legal white owners I might add, out of money every time she shops. And boy do they eat good in that house too! So, her husband doesnt make alot of money (all under the table of course) but they eat like kings and queens! And dont forget the chubby little princess now too!

Put me down for fed up with the situation.
 
most hispanics in this country have illegal relatives either living with them or residing elsewhere. we made a terrible mistake in 1986 that allowed a but load of illegal mexicans become citizens of this country (amnesty). they in turn brought over the rest of there families that refused to assimilate and learn english. from that point on they started to breed like rats and the end result is what we are experiencing today. there will be no amnesty, no dream act, and as far as the hispanic community is concerned, laws that have been voted on and passed with regards to criminal illegal immigrants(squatter's) will be vigorously enforced. the pandering to this group is over
 
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