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Lets begin palm TX that sat on my buddies shelf collecting dust because said buddies wife had to have.
once the dust was wiped off and hr's of surfing on the net when I was visiting said buddie it was given to me as a gift, a gift I was not ready for... I instantly ran home, wich I think was there Goal, I found software on the palm site to sink. And started with the cicky click and to make the palm my own. While changing passwords and some settings and messing with it fighting my compute I got lost in some land of networking and Bluetooth, it was years ago and I was new to it all.... it got put on my shelf to collect some more dust. Along came the Droid I began to wonder what the potential this dust bunny had.I am now confused with the sync Processe, and if I can use my Droid (version 2.2) to surf the net send e mails...I spent a few days of Googling my face off and found this form and now over shelled with it...
What is a hard reset and soft, I've had to push the reset on the back a few times because it seem if I'm not fast enough with the key unlock it shuts down, where do I find safe apps and what can this hand held machine do for me?
That's it for now. I guess I keep reading forms till my eyes bleed
 
Welcome to rabroad, obi_bum_kenobi!

After some editing, courtesy of the Enter key, I think you are asking about Android resets, right?

For most devices a hard reset means wiping the device back to factory state requiring you to load all your stuff all over again. For most devices a soft reset means rebooting the device back to a freshly booted state but with all your apps, data and settings intact.

Following the "I feel lucky" link for "android 2.2 soft hard reset" I found an article over at androidcentral.

One occasion for a reset is an OS upgrade (or downgrade). On my old Palm devices, this involved a painful process of restoring apps either from sd card or via hotsync. On Blackberry, the process was less painful but took just about as long. What was worse on BB OS was that some of my apps refused to come back because they wouldn't work under the newer OS version. I've heard this sort of thing can happen on Android as well.

Then there's my iThings. Going from one version of iOS to another is slow but relatively painless and everything comes back right where I left it including apps, app folders, contacts, games, high scores, wallpapers, etc. Almost Mac like. ;)
 
They are both tools. The palm more organization focused, and the droid more net focused.
If email is your goal then I guess the droid is more suitable :).
I have lots of tools in my shed that aren't that useful to me either since i've never used em :).
 
First things first I apologize for my noobish ways and poor grammer.
Hook that link did not work.
My main problem is that the Droid is small and hard to post to places like here I was hoping to use the Droid as a link to the net. I'm aware that the new droids can do this via hot spot but I'm broke.
So now I fight with my Gf over the use of the Droid to sit and read forms...
And room what do u mean I thing I'm kind lost on the hole operationg systems and is palm os the same as android os.
Now I'm off to read somemore!
 
Palm os is not the same as Android os.

Palm os is designed for small, inexpensive, simple devices and is oriented toward local storage of data with backup by cable to a computer. Palm os struggles with network applications and is not multitasking and has had a history of decreasing stability as it was used on devices that really required multitasking. Palm os was mainly offered on devices made by palm. For a while it was available on Sony and a few other devices (besides just Palm) but it eventually died (as far as new device usage) and even Palm has moved on to a more modern os: webos. The hard (factory) reset procedure for palm os harkens back to antiquity, poking a hole while holding one or more buttons and hoping you get the timing just right. Imagine Clint Eastwood standing over you as you attempt a Zero Out Reset saying in his gravelly voice: "Do you feel lucky?" "Well do ya?" "PUNK!"

Android os is a modern smartphone os that is oriented toward keeping a local copy of data that is stored on google's cloud. Android is used on dozens of devices available on every carrier. More android devices are released every day. The factory reset procedure for a modern smartphone os is almost always a menu item with an "are you sure?" dialog before the device actually gets wiped.



I checked your link and indeed it does work. Wow. What a journey down memory lane. It's been so long since I sat and stared at a Palm logo on a small screen.
 
Well as usual :) I don't agree with your sentiment here, but instead of encouraging yet another out of topic thread I will just say:
Palm hard reset does ask you to confirm before it wipes data, even on the early 1990's Palm devices.
 
I suspect that r0k was actually meaning the factory reset, regarding "poking a hole while holding one or more buttons and hoping you get the timing just right."
 
Yeah, there are two factory resets on Palm - soft or hard. The soft one you just poke the hole and you device resets without effecting the data. The hard reset you poke the hole while holding the power button, and then it asks you to confirm you want to wipe the data.
The point is, no data is wiped without a confirmation which r0k was suggesting was a failure of Palm devices.
 
SyncRaven, *typically* especially if one looks at the source, i.e., Palm, a factory reset means not only a hard reset, but a hard reset that goes further, and clears (by overwriting) registers deep within the device, to ensure nothing identifiable remains.

A soft reset is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a factory reset. It is not even akin to a hard reset.
 
Your right - My bad. I was just pointing out though that whenever there is a danger of losing data via a hard or factory reset, the palm OS prompts you to confirm.
 
I had to stare a while to figure out what you might possibly disagree with. I wasn't saying Palm didn't offer you a way to abort. I was saying that Palm made you stand on your head to get to the screen where you would be asked whether to abort or not.

The difference I am referring to is not the safety net, which has been around for a long time. I was referring to the relative ease of wiping a newer device versus the vulcan nerve pinch required to invoke the same action on an older device.

BTW, before I get accused of belittling the situation where you get a reset when you didn't want one, I should point out that on my TX, I found that badly behaved software could do an "auto hard reset". People loudly called me every name in the book and swore up and down that I must have been dreaming but eventually apps came out that did a hard reset simply through software, no hardware input required, thus proving my point (back then) that there was some vulnerability in PalmOS that allowed for a software based hard reset. (Still not a zero out reset, but it required you to restore your data just the same).

The TX was really the beginning of the end of my love of Palm devices. If you go through my posts from the time, I was beginning to become dismayed that I could actually lose all my stuff through no fault of my own. And no, installing an app does not make me deserve to lose all my friend's phone numbers and emails. The Treo 650 walked me up to the edge and the 755p pushed me over. :mad: Too bad it didn't push me over in less than 30 days or I might have had an iPhone almost 3 years ago. :newpalm:
 
with respect, Jeff, I submit that a great deal of your problems (not issues; issues isn't strong enough, imho) were due to what VZW made Palm do to their base CDMA 755p. I'm just sayin'...
 
And you notice I'm not sobbing crocodile tears over yet another Verizon iPhone rumor? I can only imagine what those idiots would try to do to an iPhone. Steve Jobs' head would fall off and roll away if Verizon managed to do to an iPhone what they did to my 755p. The greatest tragedy is that I was paying Verizon's $45 a month enterprise data rate so I could try to use their sync service (which of course didn't work to my expectations). My cost went down twice. It went down (to $30) when I switched to a Blackberry 8830 where I averaged 6 MB a month of data usage. It went down again (to $15) when I went to At&t's 200 MB capped data plan of which I use about 60-100MB. So with the latest iPhone I'm now paying 1/3 of the data price I paid to use blazer on a badly busted 755p. No wonder there's a data class-action lawsuit against Verizon right now.

But it's not just price. Yesterday, I was comparing (work issued) phone user interfaces with a friend who has a Motorola phone. Verizon enforces the same user interface across all their dumb phones. It goes something like this...

  1. My Verizon
  2. Tools
  3. Sounds Settings
  4. Display Settings
  5. Phone Settings
  6. Call Settings
  7. Memory
  8. Phone Info
  9. SIM Info (for world phones)

Ok. What's the difference between Phone settings and Call settings? Where is the calculator? It turns out it is about 8 levels deep. From the main screen, hit enter twice and it takes you someplace to spend money.

If you set more than one phone number for a contact, Verizon provides icons that are the same across all their phones. The HomePhone icon, MobilePhone icon and WorkPhone icon differ by at most 5 or 6 pixels and no colors. Somebody call you from work and you want to call their cell? It's faster to punch 10 digits than unravel Verizon's outdated user interface! I wind up creating separate contacts for people based on which number I want to call them at, ie Wife Work, Wife Cell and Wife Home. Geez. It seems like Missing Sync isn't the only company in the business of duplicating data! Yes, Verizon are total idiots at everything but providing a decent signal and making commercials about providing a decent signal. I suppose I should mention that talking to VZW customer service isn't all that bad, really. They are pretty good at customer service but the things they do to innocent phones are just ghastly.

They have pulled the same crap with many of their older smart phones. VZ navigator was the only way for me to use navigation on my old BB 8830 until I upgraded to OS 4.5 and then I was resetting 3 times a week to recover from 0 filefree. Look what that's done for my loyalty...
 
You are NOT selling me on a move to Verizon. I wish Tmo had better coverage in my area but will keep my supplemental SouthernLINC prepaid, I think.

I didn't realize they still rig their devices this way. You have to BUY a calculator program? Sheesh!
 
LS, I think Verizon has gotten much better; but what r0k says seems to be true, at least for the RAZR era. Those phones are such a mess, it's beyond comprehension.

Frankly, as for the iPhone, I don't see how you can bash Verizon in anticipation, while not mentioning (in this thread anyway) how heavy-handed ATT has been with the iPhone and iPad. Rip-off data plans, blocking tethering, very slow adoption of MMS (has it been executed yet?), restricting Skype and SlingBox to WiFi, etc., etc.
 
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