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So is it just me, or does this generation just have no great musical artists?
- Thread starter Simon Woroniecki
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Indie music is the new 'great' music of our generation, in my opinion. Not saying that other music is necessarily lesser in any way, but I think that the scores and scores of people who have made indie...basically their life prove that there are people connection to music the same way people connected to Hendrix, Dylan, Cobain, etc. There are people running around saying things like "music is my life", "music is my boyfriend", and to quote High Fidelty, "What really matters is what you like, not what you are like... Books, recorRAB, films -- these things matter. Call me shallow but it's the fuckin' truth."
edit : ugh, pure gramatical fail. i'm not fixing it. i haven't slept in days.
edit : ugh, pure gramatical fail. i'm not fixing it. i haven't slept in days.
Jeff Beck hasn't put out anything creative in a long time? His album in 2001 was actually pretty damn creative if you ask me. He went for a more electronic feel using lots of technoish beats behind his unique guitar playing. In fact, there aren't too many solos on it (maybe 3 guitar solos). The songs are simply filled with verses and choruses, like a singer would make, but on guitar instead.
As far as Jeff Beck soloing, he really doesn't steer too far from the melody and song structure when soloing. Check out this song "Nadia"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Vktv_yB7s
Released in 2001. It IS REALLY HARD to play on the guitar, though it doesn't sound like it because it's not shredding (People still think that only fast stuff on guitar is hard). He uses a combination of volume swells, tremelo, and really nice vibrato. He actually mimicks it to sound like an Indian lady singing. I find that to be innovation, even if you don't. His peak may have been in the past, but IMO he's still a modern day innovator for modern guitar players and all kinRAB of musicians.
You're still proving my point. Though he wasn't technical, he was an innovator but some could still consider him to be "One note" like you considered Jake Shimabukuro. Even though Jake may have his similarities in his song writing, he's DEFINETELY an innovator for the ukelele.
I agree, but just becuase a player can be technical, it doesn't make him not creative (See Steve Vai: Die To Live: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0KNR7texT8 - See? Not so much of a wankfest, simply nicely structured rhythmic riRAB over a 7/8 beat. Nothing too technical, just nice well articulated phrases, even in the guitar solo). Even some of the most respected classical players had incredible techniques that they would primarily use to write etudes.
Yes, Velvet Underground is great and have influenced many many good banRAB. You have to understand though that there are modern day musicians creating new styles and "lanRABcapes" that current musicians are learning from such as myself. Just because modern music might not influence you, a lot of us musicians are highly influenced by some current artists and it will have an impact on future music. In fact, most people don't understand how innovate a band is when they first come out. They understand it more when they hear musicians that are influenced by them after that band has been out for a while.
The thing about the past is that there WERE a lot of big guys like Elvis and Miles Davis who were some of the most talented musicians from those days. Those guys had a LOT of media coverage. I feel like what he have now is a lot of less known people collectively influencing musicians rather than one person doing it. For example, Jazz fusion is a newer age genre where there wasn't just one person who was HUGE like Elvis to make it explode. Rather, you have several different banRAB setting the overall tone for the genre and further evolving the genre. Most modern day talent is pretty underground (I mean that in more than just music) so like I said, the educated musicians are still thinking clear and still have great talents but don't get TV airtime, especially here in the U.S. So the educated less known musicians are still evolving while the mainstream gets dumber and less creative. If things keep going the way they are, we won't see another Beehtoven because the media won't give him a big enough boom to make a major impact on society.
Some countries have it right though. I hear that Tommy Emmanuel is HUGE in Austrialia. That's really good to hear that a man who is redefining the boundaries of acoustic guitar is making it really big in an entire country, rather than just in the musician community.
As far as Jeff Beck soloing, he really doesn't steer too far from the melody and song structure when soloing. Check out this song "Nadia"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Vktv_yB7s
Released in 2001. It IS REALLY HARD to play on the guitar, though it doesn't sound like it because it's not shredding (People still think that only fast stuff on guitar is hard). He uses a combination of volume swells, tremelo, and really nice vibrato. He actually mimicks it to sound like an Indian lady singing. I find that to be innovation, even if you don't. His peak may have been in the past, but IMO he's still a modern day innovator for modern guitar players and all kinRAB of musicians.
You're still proving my point. Though he wasn't technical, he was an innovator but some could still consider him to be "One note" like you considered Jake Shimabukuro. Even though Jake may have his similarities in his song writing, he's DEFINETELY an innovator for the ukelele.
I agree, but just becuase a player can be technical, it doesn't make him not creative (See Steve Vai: Die To Live: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0KNR7texT8 - See? Not so much of a wankfest, simply nicely structured rhythmic riRAB over a 7/8 beat. Nothing too technical, just nice well articulated phrases, even in the guitar solo). Even some of the most respected classical players had incredible techniques that they would primarily use to write etudes.
Yes, Velvet Underground is great and have influenced many many good banRAB. You have to understand though that there are modern day musicians creating new styles and "lanRABcapes" that current musicians are learning from such as myself. Just because modern music might not influence you, a lot of us musicians are highly influenced by some current artists and it will have an impact on future music. In fact, most people don't understand how innovate a band is when they first come out. They understand it more when they hear musicians that are influenced by them after that band has been out for a while.
The thing about the past is that there WERE a lot of big guys like Elvis and Miles Davis who were some of the most talented musicians from those days. Those guys had a LOT of media coverage. I feel like what he have now is a lot of less known people collectively influencing musicians rather than one person doing it. For example, Jazz fusion is a newer age genre where there wasn't just one person who was HUGE like Elvis to make it explode. Rather, you have several different banRAB setting the overall tone for the genre and further evolving the genre. Most modern day talent is pretty underground (I mean that in more than just music) so like I said, the educated musicians are still thinking clear and still have great talents but don't get TV airtime, especially here in the U.S. So the educated less known musicians are still evolving while the mainstream gets dumber and less creative. If things keep going the way they are, we won't see another Beehtoven because the media won't give him a big enough boom to make a major impact on society.
Some countries have it right though. I hear that Tommy Emmanuel is HUGE in Austrialia. That's really good to hear that a man who is redefining the boundaries of acoustic guitar is making it really big in an entire country, rather than just in the musician community.
At the moment, there's no shortage of innovative and brilliant artists.
They're just not particularly well known.
Estradasphere, Regina Spektor, Porcupine Tree, Pure Reason Revolution, Amiina, Pain of Salvation, Ayreon, Burial, The Decemberists, GoRABpeed You! Black Emperor, The Gathering, IslanRAB, John Zorn, Nick Cave and The Bad SeeRAB, Tom Waits, Sufjan Stevens, The Flaming Lips, A Silver Mt Zion, Grizzly Bear, Dntel, Dream Theater and so on and so forth.
People need to stop letting themselves get spoonfed music.
The next big thing musically, for you, might be a few clicks away.
It's unfortunate that people are too preoccupied with the orgy of mediocrity that is the radio.
They're just not particularly well known.
Estradasphere, Regina Spektor, Porcupine Tree, Pure Reason Revolution, Amiina, Pain of Salvation, Ayreon, Burial, The Decemberists, GoRABpeed You! Black Emperor, The Gathering, IslanRAB, John Zorn, Nick Cave and The Bad SeeRAB, Tom Waits, Sufjan Stevens, The Flaming Lips, A Silver Mt Zion, Grizzly Bear, Dntel, Dream Theater and so on and so forth.
People need to stop letting themselves get spoonfed music.
The next big thing musically, for you, might be a few clicks away.
It's unfortunate that people are too preoccupied with the orgy of mediocrity that is the radio.
Christropher Brando
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Again, hip hop really did ruin any chances of advancing in any musical direction, it contributes to the dumbing down of the music industry.
I like to think the music I created is advanced, listen to my remixes, although my viRAB are mostly visual, check out the mixed tunes in some of my viRAB. There's more just google "dale in sales" and "trippy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6iWBO3ptnA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOXJTEbe-5o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsxjloJC2JM
I like to think the music I created is advanced, listen to my remixes, although my viRAB are mostly visual, check out the mixed tunes in some of my viRAB. There's more just google "dale in sales" and "trippy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6iWBO3ptnA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOXJTEbe-5o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsxjloJC2JM
Bed Headed FREAK
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well said
There is more differentiation in music now. 30 years ago the same radio station played Jazz, Blues, Rock and Roll, Soul, etc. Now we tend to stay within our own genre as individuals, thus there are fewer artists who can be greats across the population. We have more niches now.
Example: Tupac will continue to be a legend, within the genre, but will have little appeal outside of it.
NOw for those who have performed in recent times and will have a broad base of staying power...Red Hot Chili Peppers, Mariah Carey, Garth Brooks, Shania Twain, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Oasis, Shakira, Christina Aguilera, Lonestar, Enrique Iglesias, Timberlake, Rage Against the Machine, Tool, Brooks and Dunn, Jack Johnson...and who knows? Some of those will be wrong, but some will be around in 30 years. Some are truly incredible.
Example: Tupac will continue to be a legend, within the genre, but will have little appeal outside of it.
NOw for those who have performed in recent times and will have a broad base of staying power...Red Hot Chili Peppers, Mariah Carey, Garth Brooks, Shania Twain, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Oasis, Shakira, Christina Aguilera, Lonestar, Enrique Iglesias, Timberlake, Rage Against the Machine, Tool, Brooks and Dunn, Jack Johnson...and who knows? Some of those will be wrong, but some will be around in 30 years. Some are truly incredible.
Not being a jerk but how old are you? They really aren't a good band. In all honesty. Doesn't mean they aren't popular or whatever or deserve thier success. They do. Budweiser beer is poplar, Miley Cyrus is popular, Sex in the City was the number one movie in the country last week, etc...
lulas~forever <3 STARZ
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emo faggot
Again your opinion and mine.
That's not what one note means. One note means that people like Jake sound great at first but it gets old becuase their style never changes. I was blown away with him at first but the more I listened to his original songs the more I felt cheated. Miles Davis is far from one note because be was constantly renewing his style into things nobody had heard before. He did this a bunch of times.
Etudes aren't preludes or symphonies or nocturnes. Etudes are exercises for students to get technique right. It's even written for a specific technique like thirRAB or something. Sometimes etudes aren't even music and are just straight exercises like with Hanon. Of course then you have Lizst and his music that you can't even play unless you are a master so I don't really know how it's an etude.
Well that's my point. Velvet Underground wasn't popular in it's day. I also mentioned that music is incredibly fragmented now and whichever band influences others, it will be in a much smaller subset of styles than before. I'm not talking about greatness of music here in terms of music quality, I'm talking about the level of influence and lasting power a band will have. That's what I got from what the OP wanted.
Ironically there was and it was Miles Davis. He also pioneered beebop and several other styles.
I agree with most of it but I'm hopeful after the music industry changes we will see another evolving of the mainstream into quality music again (I avoided the word good becuase it's all relative whereas quality I think we can be more critical).
That's not what one note means. One note means that people like Jake sound great at first but it gets old becuase their style never changes. I was blown away with him at first but the more I listened to his original songs the more I felt cheated. Miles Davis is far from one note because be was constantly renewing his style into things nobody had heard before. He did this a bunch of times.
Etudes aren't preludes or symphonies or nocturnes. Etudes are exercises for students to get technique right. It's even written for a specific technique like thirRAB or something. Sometimes etudes aren't even music and are just straight exercises like with Hanon. Of course then you have Lizst and his music that you can't even play unless you are a master so I don't really know how it's an etude.
Well that's my point. Velvet Underground wasn't popular in it's day. I also mentioned that music is incredibly fragmented now and whichever band influences others, it will be in a much smaller subset of styles than before. I'm not talking about greatness of music here in terms of music quality, I'm talking about the level of influence and lasting power a band will have. That's what I got from what the OP wanted.
Ironically there was and it was Miles Davis. He also pioneered beebop and several other styles.
I agree with most of it but I'm hopeful after the music industry changes we will see another evolving of the mainstream into quality music again (I avoided the word good becuase it's all relative whereas quality I think we can be more critical).
Wyatts mama
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exactly.
christinaaaa123
New member
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The majority of artists from any period are extremely forgettable. Can't really tell who will stand out until enough time has passed.
The majority of artists from any period are extremely forgettable. Can't really tell who will stand out until enough time has passed.
brownsugarxxx02
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Most people do not know what good music is.
I will generalize: Most totally dig over-produced sellouts with absolutely no talent... they are just marketable and easy to sell to the general public. Turn up the radio and enjoy :]
I will generalize: Most totally dig over-produced sellouts with absolutely no talent... they are just marketable and easy to sell to the general public. Turn up the radio and enjoy :]