instead of raising taxes cut the people off that are here illegally, food stamps, medical. Start treating us working tax payers like people. We don't get help but if they drop babies left and right they get money for it? Why is the tax payers always gets phucked, the people that are here illegally or has been on welfare more that 2 years, or has a 3rd child should not get any of our tax dollars, when are they going to go to work, why isn't this stopped? Look how many MILLIONS of dollars goes to support the lazy people or illegals?
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So if the U.S. is in such a financial disaster ?
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al-in-chgo
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You are addicted to stereotypes, and for any government to declare victim status of a group of people just because they are in some sort of a minority (deport them or take any such other unilateral federal action) -- wouldn't work. Certainly not Snap! Just like that! which seems to be the import of such criticisms as yours that I have read. It took a few years, even for the Nazis, and IMHO we have surrendered enough civil liberties in this country already.
Try to understand that most "illegal aliens" work and pay into Social Security, even though they probably will never get the benefit of that tax. Also, most Hispanics are here because it beats starving, and they stay here because they will do the "scut" work the citizens won't do.
I should also point out that many of these people, young Hispanics in particular, managed to get into the Armed Service and (again) they do the job (help fight the wars) that the children of the upper-middle class will no longer do. Oh, there are exceptions, one thinks of Joe Biden's son, but by and large Gulf War II and the current Afghanistan conflict are poor and minority soldiers' wars, with a high proportion of illegals or the children of illegals.
People who can't help but harp on how much a group takes out of the economy should just as well think of how much is contributed to the economy.
Try to understand that most "illegal aliens" work and pay into Social Security, even though they probably will never get the benefit of that tax. Also, most Hispanics are here because it beats starving, and they stay here because they will do the "scut" work the citizens won't do.
I should also point out that many of these people, young Hispanics in particular, managed to get into the Armed Service and (again) they do the job (help fight the wars) that the children of the upper-middle class will no longer do. Oh, there are exceptions, one thinks of Joe Biden's son, but by and large Gulf War II and the current Afghanistan conflict are poor and minority soldiers' wars, with a high proportion of illegals or the children of illegals.
People who can't help but harp on how much a group takes out of the economy should just as well think of how much is contributed to the economy.
Mr. Peanut
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Tropics, you have to stop thinking like a rational human being, and start thinking like a politician.
Where would our country be if we tried to exercise good fiscal and political judgment?
We can't be expected to embrace socialism if we are not nearly bankrupt first.
Get a grip, lad.
Where would our country be if we tried to exercise good fiscal and political judgment?
We can't be expected to embrace socialism if we are not nearly bankrupt first.
Get a grip, lad.
Hey Im with ya all the way... It is so Bull seeing 16-17 yr olds getting money for having babies. And the funny thing is why don't they have to name a father to go after for the bills. but instead live with the father and still git welfare.. That's why california is going bankrupt..
Actually you're aiming at the wrong end of the problem. It's NOT the native poor or illegal immigrants who are costing the United States so much.
It's the great big greedy financial institutions like the investment firms and banks.
It's two wars -- in Afghanistan and Iraq -- costing (most importantly) American lives as well as billions and billions of American dollars.
It's badly managed big business, like the automotive companies.
It's greedy corporate executives who mess up and walk away from the companies they've helped ruin with humongous severance packages.
It's the top one or two percent of income earners in the U.S., many of whom pay disproportionately less in taxes on their earnings than the average Joes and Janes of the so-called middle class.
And, last but absolutely not least, it's an INHERITED DEBT from the previous government of George W. Bush.
Welfare is a tiny -- tiny! -- drop in this overflowing bucket!
It's the great big greedy financial institutions like the investment firms and banks.
It's two wars -- in Afghanistan and Iraq -- costing (most importantly) American lives as well as billions and billions of American dollars.
It's badly managed big business, like the automotive companies.
It's greedy corporate executives who mess up and walk away from the companies they've helped ruin with humongous severance packages.
It's the top one or two percent of income earners in the U.S., many of whom pay disproportionately less in taxes on their earnings than the average Joes and Janes of the so-called middle class.
And, last but absolutely not least, it's an INHERITED DEBT from the previous government of George W. Bush.
Welfare is a tiny -- tiny! -- drop in this overflowing bucket!
Lionheart ®
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Actually, much more millions go to subsidize rich republicans than to illegals and welfare people.
roswell alien
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you can say that again,but this was all planned years ago by the think tanks in WASHINGTON D.C..you see they ,they also want to make this country a country of color and when i say that i mean non Caucasian,they also want to flood this country with illegals so eventually they will be in a work system that will tell us what kind of things we can do,this was in the making years ago,BILL CLINTON SOLD OUT THE US TO ARABIA,HE ALSO IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT TO INVOKE A NEW WORLD ORDER,did you also know that when bill clinton was president more people died under his presidency mysteriously,MR FOSTER WAS EXECUTED BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH,THEIR WERE CARPET FIBERS ON HIS CLOTHES AND THE CIA FOUND HIM IN A PARK THAT'S BS,bill clinton was a major drug dealer along with his brother roger,it's esimated they made hundreds of millions,this is a fact,that's why they don't want border patrol to go after drug dealers,THIS IS THE GOD'S HONEST TRUTH,HE MADE THE DEAL WITH MEXICO THAT ONLY ILLUMANATI CAN BENEFIT FROM THE BORDER,AND OUR COUNTRY WILL TURN INTO A SECOND RATE COUNTRY PRETTY SOON BECAUSE WE HAVE FINANCIAL DISATER AHEAD AND THEY WILL MONAPALIZE GOVERMENT,IT GOES PAST THAT,WE ARE OVER IRAQ TO KEEP PEACE BETWEEN IRAN AND ISRAEL!