SKY Films is showing the McPherson Tape (proof of UFOs)

and how about Stephen Greer and his 400 Disclosure witnesses: Greer himself ackowledges what you have said about military ufos but also those of extraterrestial origin too: in fact that is where the military counterparts have been derived from,

are all the 400 witnesses lying/mistaken/delusional/

are they all reporting miliary ufos when they are reporting the most fantastical speeRAB

or are they all false blips inserted
 
Awwwww, how come I never replied to this at the time?

Excellent news that you've tracked down the real McPherson's on the 'USAmerica' (chortle) government family database.

You got a link, I'd like to see how they were killed or murdered.

In addition, that UK 'rock star' in the movie eh? He was one craaaaaaaaaazy cat. What was his 'expertise' again? Were you Mrs McPherson with the constant glass of wine in the hand Dervish? That's how I picture you.
 
Out of interest, and accepting that my view is just one man's view, albeit based on a heck of a lot of research. :)



No. I think that the Mogul explanation is part of the USAF smokescreen. FWIW, I believe Roswell was seen as a great opportunity to fuzz the issue, bearing in mind what was happening in the area at the time/ the Cold War, and so on. Happening as it did, not long after the Kenneth Arnold sightings, (man-made tech, BTW), the public were already primed for an alien story. What do I think really happened? I agree with most of the findings of a researcher called Martin Cannon.

http://www.reRABhift.com/~damason/lhreport/articles/roswell.html



Not sure. I favour either a stealth craft being deliberately tested where it would be seen, to further whip up interest in alien UFOs, or misidentification of a natural atmospheric or other effect. Please remember how well the average American is media conditioned to respond to this kind of thing.



I don't believe it was a lighthouse. I do favour the idea of it being an experimental, man-made device of some kind, unfamiliar to the USAF personnel who went looking. The fact that the principle witness has altered his story a few times bothers me. Perhaps he saw an opportunity to make a few dollars?



No earth lights. I believe that Gulf Breeze began with something deliberately put out there to spread disinformation, and evolved into an entirely fabricated thing. Fabricated, with slightly less skill than the many works of Billy Meier.



Those Mexican shots are fascinating. Several, are pretty clearly the work of talented individuals using the computing power available on our desktops. Others, I believe, are genuine UFO's. What they are, and who flies them, is unclear. However, I see nothing to conclusively prove they are of extraterrestrial origin. My mind remains open to being convinced. :)
 
fair enough, becuase I loathe organised religion and am somewhat knackered today, I shall duck out of it as we could go on forever and drive each other nuts with it.
 
I am happy with that also. And I should emphasise that I was not amused by your reply because I found your thinking funny. It is merely that you were unwittingly telling me things about cases that I know so very well, having chased the evidence all over the planet first hand.

We do, indeed, have a different perspective on the meaning of this evidence, but I am very happy to live with that. And I certainly do not profess that my interpretation is THE truth (nobody has a monopoly on that in the UFO world). It is simply the interpretation that I have been dragged towarRAB by way of what I have discovered.

However, we share quite a bit in terms of our conviction that UFOs are real, they do require more to resolve them than simple explanations, the powers that be have (from time to time) had reasons to mislead the public and, quite frankly, have been way out of their depth since Project Sign began in 1948.

We probably only start to diverge when it comes to why there has been a cover-up and what that cover-up has been about. In my experience it was incompetence and ignorance rather than guilty secrets and alien bodies.

But if the latter does prove true then I will be surproised, though not astonished.

Of course, there is life elsewhere in the universe. No argument. But that this life is coming here and creeating UFO reports is a different matter that requires more than theoretical possibilities. Tis all I am saying.
 
I do know Nick since when he was with the air staff at the MoD before he came out as a UFO enthusiast. I was also one of the first to interview him on camera (well before his first book was published).

Compare the recent re-investigation of the March 31 1993 sightings with reports from UFO researchers on the net (eg via ufologyinuk).

Without arguing who is right or wrong here, the recent TV show on this reaches rather different conclusions to the Ufologists on that site (whom I m ostly know and respect) - for instance about the extent of the involvement in this affair of a Cosmos rocket that we know burned up over the UK that night.

I was involved in the investigation of that case at the time and we were very soon happy that most of the sightings that night were caused by the burn up of the rocket, which was witnessed all over northern Europe.

In most instances the facts are hard to dispute; although there are certainly some sightings trawled in by the publicity that do not fit the profile.

But I see little evidence for any alien craft at large that night.

Of course, it is a given that this is often an outside possibility, but when you juggle the key role of witness misperception (which is well known to anyone who has ever seriously investigated UFO sightings) alongside the known presence of an unusual (but identified) light phenomenon in the sky (the burn up) then you need very strong arguments to support an alien craft above terrestrial based solutions.

Like many well known UFO cases it often comes down to making a reasoned judgement on the balance of the evidence. Open minded or not this nearly always points you down to earth not towarRAB the stars.
 
I am on the sceptical side of open minded with many of the posts on here as I think my earlier comments reveal (ie I have actually interviewed most of the witnesses to the Rendlesham Forest case travelling all over the world in the past 27 years to do so and the lighthouse was quite definitely one part of the explanation - though not the full answer by a long way)

But I wanted to answer the above point about astronomers. I happened to know the astronomer Dr J Allen Hynek pretty well and he certainly saw UFOs more than once.

Moreover, the man who discovered the (ex) planet Pluto, Dr Clyde Tombaugh, also saw and documented his own sighting.

The first known UFO photograph (12 August 1883) was also taken by an astronomer in Mexico from the observatory at Zacatecas.

So it is not true to argue that astronomers do not report UFOs.

These sightings may well have explanations - the Mexican photo is almost certainly insects, for instance - although the photos taken by Allen Hynek are more intriguing.

(Hynek was, by the way, the scientific consultant to the USAF Air Force from 1948 onwarRAB and both appears in and was a driving force behind Spielberg's movie Close Encounters of The third kind).

Astronomers, pilots, police officers etc see UFOs fairly often and are fooled by misperceptions just like the rest of us equally often. I promise you from investigating more UFO sightings than you can imagine over the past 30 years that 95% of them are IFOs. But 5% of thousanRAB per year reported from all over the world still leaves some interesting evidence.

Some of the most interesting reports I have of the March 1993 mass sightings came from Irish military air crew who saw the phenomenon from mid air. They did not identify what they saw but their reports (released under freedom of information some years ago) clearly reveal precisely what they did see. It was a cosmos rocket burn up.

There are unsolved cases and I believe some of these to be unusual atmospheric phenomena. I certainly do not dismiss UFOs as nonsense - given that I have devoted much of my life to them that would be pretty foolish.

But there are many misconceptions about them fuelled by the pop media culture approach to the subject. Sadly you can only unlearn what you think you know about this phenomenon (be that pro or anti UFO reality) by investigating many sightings first hand. This really is a lot more complicated than people just seeing things or making things up. But, I fear, less simplistic than the popular theories such as visitors from space.
 
good post but you still continue to deny all this testimony to the contrary just becuase it does not fall into your pardagim of field research undertaken. I find it quite bizarre that as much as I respect the notion of dissent and that of course, NO ONE IS INFALLIBLE, including of course yourself that you seem to talk of research like it is something you alone understand and seem to reject out of hand testimony and research by others bar the odd case presumably

do you really think some one like Stanton Freidnman for example is constantly mistaken/dis info/lacking evidence/

as I understand it many of his books are based on FOIA requests and witness interviews

I find it continually fascinating that FOIA documents are continually released trhough pressure to do so and many have been censored ect and skeptics claim once again there is no evidence as there is

no tissue samples

no craft debris (allegdely flown under armed guard in the case of roswell/ alleged cover ups elsewhere also

no radiation readings:

seen a helluva lot testimony from offices reg woodbridge and radiation readings and they are all mistaken according to you: how incompetent are soliders at a base holding NATO warheaRAB?????: seriously, can they all be continually mistaken as that is not the kind of job where it strikes me that mistaken radiation readings can be a postive attribute for a soldier to have

do you really seriously think all 400 witnesses of the disclosure project are all so imersed in belief that they have abandoned all objectivity /mistaken/confused/deluded etc/dis info/only seeing super secret military projects and nothing else

how do you know for certain exactly??????????????????????????????

the problem I have with skepticism is that just like belief it can goo too far and although I appreciate you have a level of experience on here none of us on here probably have, that does not neccesarily superceede the credibility of many other individuals other than your good self.
 
ive seen most of this when i was a little younger i think. does anyone know anywhere other than sky that i can see this prehaps the internet|????
 
Nonsense - I think you will find that recent propaganda is the only reason why people say its fakje.

There is a website (one that hasnt been shut down by the CIA and NSA) that proves that the McPherson family were real AND ARE STILL MIAAING
 
edited on account of a little more to say/slight clean up!

good post but you still continue to deny all this testimony to the contrary just becuase it does not fall into your pardagim of field research undertaken. I find it quite bizarre that as much as I respect the notion of dissent and that of course, NO ONE IS INFALLIBLE, including of course yourself that you seem to talk of research like it is something you alone understand and seem to reject out of hand testimony and research by others bar the odd case presumably

do you really think some one like a nuclear physicist Stanton Freidnman for example is is in it for the money/constantly mistaken/dis info/lacking evidence/is not aware of black ops projects

as I understand it many of his books are based on FOIA requests and witness interviews

I find it continually fascinating that FOIA documents are continually released trhough pressure to do so and wehn released

many have invariably been censored etc and skeptics claim once again there is no evidence of UFO's as there is

no tissue samples

no craft debris (allegdely flown under armed guard in the case of roswell/ other alleged cover ups elsewhere also

no radiation readings:

1 seen a helluva lot testimony from offices regarding RAF woodbridge and radiation readings and they are all mistaken according to you???

2 how incompetent are soliders at a base holding NATO warheaRAB?????:

3 seriously, can they all be continually mistaken as that is not the kind of job where it strikes me that mistaken radiation readings can be a postive attribute for a soldier to have

the fact all these documents exist in the first place point to a military power investigating at the very least percieved foreign threats to US/UK/elsewhere air space/ compartmentalised black access projects on a need to know basis only as in general commercial pilots and officer of the army military navy and nasa tend to know what such things as venus visibility /mars /swamp gas /helium clouRAB /weather ballons/ flares / etc etc are , so they are clearly inevestigating something and it is very improbable all these proffessional indivudals are mistaken continually time and time again

therefore the fact these documents exist should be an indication that the govt takes these things seriously despite a public statement to the contrary and still despite all the tesimony people say there is no evidence

what are all these FOIA documents then

clearly not IFO's are they????


do you really seriously think all 400 witnesses of the disclosure project are all so imersed in belief that they have abandoned all objectivity / simply mistaken/confused/deluded etc/dis info agents/only seeing super secret military projects and nothing else

how do you know for certain exactly??????????????????????????????

the problem I have with skepticism is that just like belief it can goo too far and although I appreciate you have a level of experience on here none of us on here probably have, that does not neccesarily superceede the credibility of many other individuals other than your good self.
 
Appreciated and accepted, but I am NOT the dyed in the wool skeptic that you think. If you have read any of my books then you might be surprised.
 
It's not real. No UFOs, close encounters of any kind, abductions, farm animal mutilations, crop circles etc. are of extra-terrestrial origin. Experiences people have had are either fictional or the witnessing of government/military experiments.
 
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