Should we allow Kurt Vonnegut's Books?

I'll assume you voted no but I voted YES! First of all we should allow any books in school but certain ones shouldn't be on the curriculum. Even if that's what you mean, books with all points of view should be put on. They make you think, which is a good thing. I have only read a few, but I have loved them (Player Piano, Sirens of Titan, and Mother Night) and plan to read more over the summer. People seem to have a thing against thinking in schools, all you need to do is learn to take tests, we rarely actually learn anything.

But anyway... I think all points of view should be represented. I think religious books can be on there and I think anti-religious books should be there. Instead of classifying racists as bigots and ignoring them, why don't we hear from them on why they believe what they do? I've read about how horrible Hitler was but never seen his side of the story. It's important to read contreversial material and to learn from it and develop your thinking skills in school. I say yes we should encourage Kurt Vonnegut's books and if you are talking about not allowing them period in school (as in personal reading or in the school library) than I say that position shouldn't even be considered as there is no reason to censor his books.
 
Please do. Both Dzeron and I were at the old debate and you never gave any evidence of why other than profanity. Is that the only reason you don't like the book?
 
Isn't that reason enuf? What else of a reason do you want? That he dreams up sick things like killing dogs with razors by letting him eat a piece of steak with a razor blade in it? That makes me sick just mentioning it!!!!
 
So he says a bad word thus you hate him and all his books? How many of your frienRAB curse? Do you hate them if they do? And I haven't read that particular book of his but do you live in a world where that sort of thing doesn't happen? He didn't just dream these up, they happen. I hate it when people don't like books about child abuse or violence because they are disgusting. These disgusting things are happening to people around the world. Life isn't pretty and I don't know about you but I like books that make me think and books about real life (I like other books too but you have to realize that this isn't some made up fantasy, it's life). Do all the books you read involve just walking through the fielRAB on a sunny day? While it may be fun to do in life, it would make for a pretty boring book. And if you hate people because of use of profanity you need to open your eyes (or ears as the case may be) up and actually observe the world around you. Profanity doesn't hurt you anyway, will you die because someone says fuc*? I think it's silly that I even have to put the star there.
 
hmmm...I believe it is the meaning behind the swearing that is so negative. I have never heard of anyone who has fed a dog a steak with razor blades in it for revenge...Kurt's mind is sick! It is NOT necessary to use profanity when writing a book!!!!!!!
 
It's not necessary to use profanity but it's not necessary to write anything but a beautiful meadow and taking a walk, of course no one would read that but hey, it's not necessary. There was a recent movie that got reviewed by the ratings board and changed from R to PG-13 because the curses used are really used in war. The quote in the paper was "When you're being shot at, you don't say 'golly'". I can't comment on the necessity of the dog with a steak but I do plan on reading that book this summer. I have definately read about worse things than that however. I really don't care how sick his mind is, as long as his books are good, but I think he seems to think a lot like me, he's just a LOT better at expressing it and putting it into a story on paper.
 
So it seems that because your rather shallow tolerance is pushed to the breaking point by Kurt's books, you think no one should read them? Seems like we would be degrading our already abysmal education system even further by not exposing students to both the good and the bad in life.
 
Tigeroo -

I have told you this before. You don't get to tell the rest of us what to read, watch, like, or even ****ing write.

Child, are you aware that you are standing just shy of FACIST?

I am sorry you don't like Vonnegut. Many people do. Get over it.
 
Once again - NOT YOUR DECISION. I am parent, once my son has reached the adequate reading and comprehension level for Vonnegut - he may read him if he likes. I would not care if he readi it now - except he wouldn't get it and it would bore him so there is little point.

Vonnegut is an important and respected author. You don't have to like him - but you need to give up turning your personal dislike into a crusade for censorship. It's facist at any level. Mind your own business.
 
Jitobear, you are so far to the left that you are practically a communist. Why are you acting so wired today. Go fix yourself a scrumptious adult beverage, light up a smoke and relax for awhile. You will feel alot better. :cool:
 
Communism - very sweet idea - just doesn't happen to work.

I don't smoke.

I am not wired up. This particular topic from this particular poster is driving me nuts. Censorship drives me nuts period. But Tigeroo hates Vonnegut and seems to want to make it her mission in life that everybody else do as well.
 
Wow, I thought you were just arguing that the books shouldn't be required on a curriculum. I didn't agree with that and I certainly don't agree that you should tell kiRAB they CAN'T read it. It's one thing not to force them but to not allow them to read it, that is being facist.
 
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