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Should musicians be on more than 30k a year
- Thread starter azlan z
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What if they are going to have a relatively difficult life writing music?
And why hone in on musicians at all? In terms of people with "a stupidly high-earning income" they are a pretty small group. What about CEOs? What about heirs and heiresses? What about politicians? What about financial investors?
And why hone in on musicians at all? In terms of people with "a stupidly high-earning income" they are a pretty small group. What about CEOs? What about heirs and heiresses? What about politicians? What about financial investors?
There's welfare in the US. I think a little too much. Is it my fault some chick had sex with 20 different guys and had 6 kiRAB? Why should I have to work my ass off and pay for her lack of self discipline? Those kiRAB are her responsibilty, not mine. People need to start accepting responsibilty for their own actions, and not count on the government and MY MONEY.
Chuck Norris is Spiderman
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Wow, this really is a pathetic argument.
Saddle Sore, have you ever spent money on buying cd's or have you even splashed out and bought tickets to go to a concert? If so, you are probably just one of the millions who because they appreciated what the artist was offering, was prepared to spend some of their hard earned cash so they could listen and see the artist again.
Millions of folks buying albums and concert tickets adRAB up to a lot of dosh. Should all that go to the record company whilst the artist gets cut off at $50,000.00 as you suggest. That would not be right surely. The artist who is drawing in the crowRAB surely deserves a decent portion of the rewarRAB for their ability to entertain people.
Another quick point. I think you will find that a lot of artists who fall into that huge earnings category do part with quite a substantial amount by contributions to charities and sometimes by taking part in benefit concerts.. just worth bearing in mind.
Peace and sensible thoughts, Gordon.
Saddle Sore, have you ever spent money on buying cd's or have you even splashed out and bought tickets to go to a concert? If so, you are probably just one of the millions who because they appreciated what the artist was offering, was prepared to spend some of their hard earned cash so they could listen and see the artist again.
Millions of folks buying albums and concert tickets adRAB up to a lot of dosh. Should all that go to the record company whilst the artist gets cut off at $50,000.00 as you suggest. That would not be right surely. The artist who is drawing in the crowRAB surely deserves a decent portion of the rewarRAB for their ability to entertain people.
Another quick point. I think you will find that a lot of artists who fall into that huge earnings category do part with quite a substantial amount by contributions to charities and sometimes by taking part in benefit concerts.. just worth bearing in mind.
Peace and sensible thoughts, Gordon.
UnitedWeStand
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First of all, I just want to clear up that I DO agree with you on this, we, for the most part are on the same page, being that we don't agree with a cap or universal salary for all musicians. But I don't agree with you on WHY they deserve what they earn (or justly receive it, more like).
These average musicians that you are bringing up have nothing to do with the topic because they would not be affected (maybe their incintive to do better might) but they for the most part would not be affected by a cap at 30k because the average musicians most likely aren't making that- or much more- anyway.
So thats not who I'm targeting then of course, I am targeting the exceptions of exceptions, which frankly is what most musicians, if not all, ultimately try to be in the music industry. So yes, when I speak of working hard and earning money, I am talking about the big shots who are making millions here, because thats who the topic is affecting most severely here, right?
Yes agree with you on that.
Okay while I understand this, I really don't feel one ounce of sympathy for them there though. Thats just part of it. Get over it.
They don't make lots of money because it is hard on them and whatever else, its simply because of demand for them. Yes, they do have to put in lots of work but my point is that the big shots million dollars worth of salary doesn't totally reflect grisly hard work, but rather supply and demand for them. Thats whats making them the real money, not because they smile at people who recognized them in a grocery store.
Although, yes, working hard was the basis for Willie Nelsons success, it not the main principle on what has made him the major money over the years, or any filthy rich musician for that matter. Its because he has his unique talent exclusive to him, therefore a low supply of it, that alot of people like, therefore in high demand. Thats where his money came from. And in my mind theres nothing wrong with that, thats just how capitalism works.
What I was saying by this is that if you compare the raw hardwork that a big time musician does and see the money they make (millions), and compare that to the raw hard work a coal miner does with the money they make (not millions) you see that hard work really isn't what determines why some people are millionares and some aren't. Is it neccessarily fair? no. Hell, Marx will tell you that with the Labor Theory of Value. But thats just how it works, and I'm okay with that.
and by meh I meant meh, hard work is not the reason they justly receive the big bucks. All that I said up there is^
Do you understand me now?
These average musicians that you are bringing up have nothing to do with the topic because they would not be affected (maybe their incintive to do better might) but they for the most part would not be affected by a cap at 30k because the average musicians most likely aren't making that- or much more- anyway.
So thats not who I'm targeting then of course, I am targeting the exceptions of exceptions, which frankly is what most musicians, if not all, ultimately try to be in the music industry. So yes, when I speak of working hard and earning money, I am talking about the big shots who are making millions here, because thats who the topic is affecting most severely here, right?
Yes agree with you on that.
Okay while I understand this, I really don't feel one ounce of sympathy for them there though. Thats just part of it. Get over it.
They don't make lots of money because it is hard on them and whatever else, its simply because of demand for them. Yes, they do have to put in lots of work but my point is that the big shots million dollars worth of salary doesn't totally reflect grisly hard work, but rather supply and demand for them. Thats whats making them the real money, not because they smile at people who recognized them in a grocery store.
Although, yes, working hard was the basis for Willie Nelsons success, it not the main principle on what has made him the major money over the years, or any filthy rich musician for that matter. Its because he has his unique talent exclusive to him, therefore a low supply of it, that alot of people like, therefore in high demand. Thats where his money came from. And in my mind theres nothing wrong with that, thats just how capitalism works.
What I was saying by this is that if you compare the raw hardwork that a big time musician does and see the money they make (millions), and compare that to the raw hard work a coal miner does with the money they make (not millions) you see that hard work really isn't what determines why some people are millionares and some aren't. Is it neccessarily fair? no. Hell, Marx will tell you that with the Labor Theory of Value. But thats just how it works, and I'm okay with that.
and by meh I meant meh, hard work is not the reason they justly receive the big bucks. All that I said up there is^
Do you understand me now?
sweetshygirl27
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Just to clarify, ye of the "get a life" remarks, we are both posting online on a Friday night.
Supernatural Fan
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Music = the most popular thing in the world
So whoever makes it, and makes it well will earn shit loaRAB.
So whoever makes it, and makes it well will earn shit loaRAB.
Wicked Batgirl
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Janszoon is from Saudi Arabia.
If he was a liberal he would have been stoned to death by now.
Way to put his life in danger by advertising the fact.
If he was a liberal he would have been stoned to death by now.
Way to put his life in danger by advertising the fact.
Im going to sound like a bit of a communist here, although that certainly isn't my intention.
Does anyone here think that succesful, famous musicians should be on more than 30k a year?
Does Madonna really need millions in her account?
Do Oasis, Coldplay or Greenday?
Does anyone?
I think not - I believe that if you choose a life of a musician, you should be happy with a stable income. Afterall, the job is entertainment in itself. I think its the same with footballers too.
I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but what are your thoughts?
Thanks!
Does anyone here think that succesful, famous musicians should be on more than 30k a year?
Does Madonna really need millions in her account?
Do Oasis, Coldplay or Greenday?
Does anyone?
I think not - I believe that if you choose a life of a musician, you should be happy with a stable income. Afterall, the job is entertainment in itself. I think its the same with footballers too.
I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but what are your thoughts?
Thanks!
Mrs. Taken Correctly
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Says the person who's posted 21 times in this thread.
Tenshi!!!!!!!!!!
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30k ain't **** depending on where you live. I should know because I make it, and I live paycheck to pay check.
Why cap it at 30?
Why cap it at 30?
If we're talking 30K after all travel expenses and such are taken out, I'd be happy to make 30K a year and do what I love. With the potential for endorsements and sponsorships and with the costs of travel and living on the road, 30K is more than enough for my personal living expenses for a year. Nothing to raise a kid on or anything, but I'm not looking to do that for a long time, if ever.
The superstars that turned their commodity into a cash cow either had it in mind to begin with, or got lucky and got smart enough to capitalize off of mass marketing. But such things usually involve pandering and artistic compromise. I respect more the artists who remain artists primarily and look to make a buck off of it second, not the other way around. Music is an art and a business, but I respect the artist more than the businessman.
The superstars that turned their commodity into a cash cow either had it in mind to begin with, or got lucky and got smart enough to capitalize off of mass marketing. But such things usually involve pandering and artistic compromise. I respect more the artists who remain artists primarily and look to make a buck off of it second, not the other way around. Music is an art and a business, but I respect the artist more than the businessman.
Pegasus Rule
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Well I've already been convicted of sorcery so I don't have a whole lot to lose.