Shark's Fin Ban

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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Actually, no. Studies of ancient Egyptian nmummies show they had almost no
cancer at all. And the mummies represent the upper and royal classes who
had the best food, best medical care and lived typically into their 70s.
Cancer is caused by the toxins we expose ourselves to. An cancers amongst
the very young are increasing at an alarming rate.

Paul
 
"Landon" wrote in message
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Apathy. Whales are simply more sympathetic creatures and there is the
always popular "almost human like intelligence" aspect. Sharks have been
vilified as ruthless killers and most people probably don't give a damn.
Asians especially do not care as shark fin soup has been a symbol of
prosperity for centuries. Asians are all about showing off their status.
With the recent surge in the Asian middle classes has come a desire to eat
like the very wealthy. This has had the curious effect of driving down the
price of rare foods. At one time shark fin soup was 100.00 a bowl. Now it
is seen as a common dish in buffet style restaurants.

It took many years to get those laws passed to protect whales. Even if they
started now it is probably too late. Sharks reproduce very slowly and many
species reach sexual maturity after 20 years.

There is probably no hope for them. 500 million years makes them the
greatest survicors that have ever lived. But nothing can save them from
human greed.

Paul
 
In article , [email protected] says...

The "best medical care" available in ancient Egypt however was a very,
very far cry from one one gets in a free clinic in Darfur, let alone a
first-world hospital. They had no antibiotics--they could die from a
cat scratch. Statistically many mummies showed evidence of pneumonia,
which used to be a major killer. They had no effective treatment for
heart disease, not even nitroglycerin or aspirin, let alone angioplasty
or bypass surgery, and many of those mummies showed evidence of
cardiovascular disease. One could go on and on. Oh, and they showed a
good deal of evidence of "environmental toxins". And about ten percent
of the mummies in one study did have cancer.

As for cancers among the very young increasing, are you seeing an
increase in cancers or an increase in detection?

Sorry, but you're going off the deep end with a fairly weak statistical
argument.
 
On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 13:44:17 -0700 (PDT), Bryan
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Yes, I do.


The best way for me to answer you is to tell you about myself. My life
was filled with violence. Right from about when I was 9 to about 30.
Street gangs, then Army. I got real tired of it. I've seen enough
violence to last 20 lifetimes. Yes, I'm a pacifist if you want to
throw labels around. I detest violence. Unless you're insane, you
would too if you'd seen what I have.

I'm retired now and I personally don't harm anyone or anything. I do
eat meat. I've even had some shark steaks cut from shark I caught
myself. The fins went into the trash. At the time, I had no idea that
the fins could even be used. I ate all the meat on the creature after
cleaning it myself.

I think your anger is misdirected and inappropriate. We are a society
of laws. Those laws are supposed to protect us from harm, immediate
and long range harm.

If those laws don't do what they are supposed to, then you fix the
law, you don't become a vigilante and ignore them.

YOU think its ok to murder someone who has killed a shark. OTHERS
think its ok to murder someone who kills a cow. In India, there are a
lot of them.

Do you eat beef? If some Indian person murdered your son or daughter
for killing and eating a cow, would you just let him walk? If not, why
not? Its no different then you allowing some person to walk after
killing a person who killed a shark. No difference at all.

Societies cannot function with each person making their own set of
laws up.

Luckily, after stating your beliefs to a judge during jury selection,
you would be considered a wacko and dismissed from jury duty.
 
"Jerk Clarke" wrote:



Huh? Did Dr. Phil tell you that. There are plenty of cancer patients
of all ages that have never reproduced. The pediatric wards are chock
full of cancer patients, shit for brains.
 
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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You'd be surprised. The Egyptians had a rather vast medical knowledge and
even could perform some surgeries.


Depended on the infection. They did have the ability to cure infected
wounds.

Statistically many mummies showed evidence of pneumonia,

They did have aspirin it turns out. The point is the upper classes often
lived well into their senior years. Far more so than the average peasant
who died before 40 usually. And there are so many of their remains that a
statistical model can and has been built and they find that cancer was
almost unknown in the ancient world. We are talking cancer specifically
here. Sure, your chances of dying from typhoid, pneumonia, Dengue fever,
whooping cough you name it was a lot higher. But cancer they have
discovered was practically unknown.

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblo...s-to-cancer-as-a-modern-man-made-disease.html

Not just Egypt either:

http://www.kurzweilai.net/scientists-suggest-that-cancer-is-purely-man-made


Hard not to detect a cancer because it is pretty obvious what it is early
on. Diagnosed cancers in youth are escalating. Unless medical science
failed to detect them for the last few hundred years than it is something to
be concerned about.


Nothing a simple Google search wouldn't show. The rate at which formerly
"adult" diseases is striking younger and younger people is very much on the
rise. Hard to not make a link between the health of the environment and the
health of what lives in it.

Paul
 
In article , [email protected] says...

Then why did you assert that a "simple google search" would "show"
anything?


What leads you to believe that I have not read it?


Your point being?

Quite frankly, you're a boring loon.
 
On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 07:58:47 -0700, "Paul M. Cook"
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I really don't have any problems with anyone eating any type of meat
as long as the animal is raised, hunted, bred, housed and slaughtered
in a manner that isn't cruel to the animal and causing it unneeded
suffering or pain.

I've eaten a lot of unusual foods. Like I said in another post,
killing a cow is seen as unforgivable by some people. Who am I to
decide which animals to eat or not?
 
On 5/04/2011 5:24 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
If they felt the fear and terror that those poor animals suffered they
would be out chewing grass!

Personally I believe China and the Philippines would have to be two of
the most barbaric countries regarding animal cruelty.
I hate their coldness their lack of basic warmth and human compassion.
No-one with an ounce of intelligence would ever submit an animal to such
misery.
Only the retarded torture without conscience.
Karma's gonna be a blast!!

Hug your dog, snuggle your cat,
give your budgie a piece of apple,
give your pony a carrot and your rabbit Italian parsley :-) let them
know they were the lucky ones they got you.

Linda
There is a greater love
bigger than big
beyond the moon and the stars
 
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