Serious question for democrats

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Soup90

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Ok, so we all know social security is a failed program, sort of like a massive cargo ship without a rudder headed toward land. What makes you think that another massive government program nearly identical to SS, healthcare, won't be screwed up so badly? If the government cut your income taxes so you could afford private HC, would you go with a private company or through the gov? Curious. I don't think Obama's or McCain's plans are acceptable btw
 
your right in a sense, but look both candidates don't know all of the details right now. Neither of them will until they get into office and see all the papers, statistics etc. Obviously people see McCains plan as a simple little fix that would improve our healthcare by a little bit and could be done with relative ease, which is all it is. On the other hand you have Obama who is taking the hard approach to try and fix the system as a whole, and sure it seems ridiculous BUT once he does get into office and him and his advisors see everything through a clearer lens they can take the necessary steps forward, steps which could lead in a couple of years to a better health care system. Why should we be stuck with the same system of health care which is obviously not working the way it should. What good is a $2500-$5000 tax credit when you could easily just be dropped from a carrier. Along with that and the amount of fraud that takes place
 
I think this is a fundamental problem with the UHC debate.

First, you are right about SS being a failed mess. But I think it is incorrect to compare it to UHC. They are two completely different concepts. Yes, they are both forms of social insurance, but SS is more of a retirement fund and UHC is more of a traditional insurance program. For example, anyone can borrow against their 401k, but CANNOT borrow against their car insurance. See my point? If we are going to draw comparisons, I'd think it would be more appropriate to use Medicare when considering UHC. And then ask: How does this program work at solving the problem? Is it successful or not? Do people like the program?

Secondly, there seems to be a misconception that UHC is the same as a socialized or a nationalized healthcare industry. It is not. Hospitals, doctors, nurses, EMT, etc. are NOT under the ownership nor employment of the government under the discussed UHC plans. There are currently 42-million uninsured Americans. UHC is a Medicare-type program with the notion of providing social healthcare insurance to these uninsured. If the private sector could pull it off, I'd think they would have already insured this massive market. But, they can't or won't. Bleh....
 
Social security might have been okay had our government not started using that money for other things...and instead just responsibly saved or invested that money......
 
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