Why the hate for Saw? The original is an excellent thriller,with horror influences and a great twist.It's definitely heavily influenced by Se7en and The Cube.It certainly has some dodgy acting,I'll agree with that.
Se7en has it's flaws and cliches,but I was gripped by it nevertheless.I feel it's too bleak at times (as I mentioned),but it's influence on film and television is obvious.
I didn't like Waz one little bit.I thought the characters were all nasty to core.I felt the story became more preposterous as it developed,with a climax that I didn't buy for one minute,even if it was fairly original.It upped the gore,but didn't give me a character to care about or an intriguing plot.It also painted an even bleaker picture than Se7en.