Scrappy Doo and similar characters

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cutiegirl8292006

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O-k, it might just be me, but does anyone notice that there are many similar animal characters to Scrappy Doo? (E.g. Sylvester Junior, Donkey Kong Jr., Henry Hawk, etc.). They all have something in common, they are very young yet they act very tough (they think they know everything). Here is my question, can anyone think of any more similar characters (human counterparts are acceptable)? These are the only examples I can think of, but I know there are more.

Looneytunes/Disneytoons
 
You forgot to mention Little Rok from Mighty Mightor. I love that cartoon but I can't stand Little Rock. All he does is get in the way and puts himself and his bird in danger. It's common to see little kids characters in cartoons trying to act tough but ultimately have to be rescued from time to time.
 
He might have been melodramatic, but was a lot like Scrappy Doo. I cannot explain why, but he is. Am I the only one who notices this?

Looneytunes/Disneytoons
 
Except for Donkey Kong Jr., all of those characters were created long before Scrappy, so if anything, he possesses similarities to them, not the other way around.

DK Jr (specifically, the TV version of the which appeared on CBS' Saturday Supercade) does indeed bear inspiration and more than a passing similarity to Scrappy-Doo, but the others, not so much beyond their youth and their diminutive size.

If you don't mind my saying, your reasons for linking these characters together are based more around cosmetic similarities (e.g., they're all being small, youthful anthros who were junior knockoffs of established cartoon characters-the exception of course being Henery Hawk, who was an original standalone creation of Chuck Jones) than actual similarities of character; for example, Sylvester Jr. didn't generally act tough; if anything, he was very sensitive and overdramatic (Junior's only real moment of scrap was his first appearance "Pop 'Im Pop", in which he was so taken by his father's bragging that he believed Sylvester Senior to be the toughest cat alive), and I don't recall any of these characters "acting like they know everything", Scrappy included; in fact, many of them were characterized largely by naive youthful ignorance.

(BTW, the above was just an obvservation, not an attack, so please don't take it as such.)
 
Uh, I did not take it as an attack, I took it as an observation, and I did not ask which characters came out before or after Scrappy Doo, I am talking about which characters are very similar to him, and you did not answer my question at all. In fact, everything you said is very irrelevant to my original discussion, please try to stay on the topic.

Looneytunes/Disneytoons
 
I'm very much on-topic, actually, the problem is that the topic as you present it isn't very clear. Pointing out the obvious flaw in your reasoning isn't going off-topic at all.

You're asking us all to list characters who are similar to Scrappy-Doo, when next to none of the characters that you mentioned in your initial post are like Scrappy at all. So before anyone can accurately answer your question, you first need to clarify what you mean by 'similarities'. Do you mean physical similarities, or similarities in personality/role? because if you break them down, there are discrepancies:
  • Henery Hawk-Sure, small, scrappy child animal who stands up to would-be threats much larger than he. However, unlike the Scrapster, Henery has no adult counterpart whom he worships and idolizes.
  • Donkey Kong, Jr-Yes, this character is very much a clone of Scrappy, right down the idiotic battle cry of "Monkey Muscle!"
  • Sylvester Junior-No. Yes, he's a small child version of an established adult cartoon character like Scrappy, but in terms of personality and how he interacts with his parental figure, they are quite different.
And as previously stated the "acting like they know everything" trait doesn't apply to any of the above listed characters. Being tough isn't the same as being a know-it-all.

Furthermore, chronologically speaking, your original statement is erroneous because DK Jr was the only one of these characters created in the wake of Scrappy-Doo's arrival; the others predated him by several decades, so therefore logically they can't bear similarities to a character who was created long after any of them. It's inaccurate to say "these characters bear similarities to Scrappy-Doo", when in fact it's the other way around. It's like saying "Zorro is a lot like Batman" when in fact it was Batman who was created in the mold of Zorro. Not saying you're wrong, just a little unclear.
 
Well, instead of giving me the third degree, maybe you can ask me what I meant in my original post. I did not create a thread, so others can bash it. I asked it, so I can be given an answer. If you cannot respect that, I am sorry, but if someone is unsure of what I am trying to ask, instead of putting out all the flaws in my original post, you can ask me to give a better question. That would be the better thing to do.

Looneytunes/Disneytoons
 
I'm sorry, but he wasnt bashing you in the slightest. In fact, he came across to me as being very respectful and polite. All he did was ask you to clear the topic up a little.


As for the topic...You know, I cant think of any right now...Well, Bamm-Bamm was young and he was tough, but he didnt really act like Scrappy at all...
 
I think it speaks for itself.

Seriously though, why do you constantly try to make every correction or opposing opinion of your ideas become a 'bash'? A bash is saying "YOU R DA LOOZR!!11" not saying, "I believe you're a little misled...".

You did this before, do NOT start this argument again. I WILL report you if you continue causing this much trouble.


 
Well, he could have done it a better way, and to clarify my original question. I mean, are there any characters who are around the same age as Scrappy is, and who have similar personalities and role to him? Does that make more sense?

Looneytunes/Disneytoons
 
Um, I did ask you what you meant in your original post. :confused: And when I present my own counterpoints with proper backup, I'm "giving you the third degree". *shrugs* There's no pleasing some people.




Again, that's precisely what I did. I wasn't bashing you at all; in fact, I went out of my way to be polite about it. It would help if you didn't interpret everything someone else says to you that isn't a co-sign as a "bash". How can anyone hope to have a legitimate discussion with you when you take every other statement as a personal attack?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheScrappy

Yes. A lot. :)
 
This is why I stopped posting here at Toon Zone for a while. It's hard to ask someone to clarify what they're trying to say or to correct them without them being offend by it.
 
Wait, are we doing characters that act like Scrappy, or characters that are said to ruin the shows they come from, like Scrappy?



If the latter, allow me to mention someone. Hanna-Barbera seems to have a special ability to add pointless characters to shows that serve no purpose but to annoy. However, they seemingly avoided this with The Flintstones. The addition of Dino, Pebbles, Bamm-Bamm, and to lesser degree, Hoppy were all warmly recieved and added to the show. But honestly, what was the point of the Great Gazoo? The whole idea behind him just seemed to clash with the idea of the show, and I cant really say I enjoyed anything he did. Of course, its all just my own opinion.
 
One could say the same thing about the Shmoo when H-B decided to add him to the "Bedrock Cops" segments on The Flintstones Comedy Show. The Shmoo's only function on the show seemed to be to annoy the heck out of Fred, as if Fred didn't have enough annoyances in his life already.

If we're just talking about annoying add-on characters, then I nominate Flim-Flam from The 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo. having Flim-Flam and Scrappy on the same show was well over the annoyance limit, but thankfully, Flim-Flam made no further appearances.
 
We are doing characters that act like Scrappy, not characters who ruin the show they come from (wow, way to answer my question, guys, that is not what I meant at all), and you know, instead of saying I did this or that, we can get back on topic and brainstorm. I gave you my question: which characters are young like Scrappy, having similar personality traits and roles, whether they be dogs, cats, humans, etc; so there you go. Is that clear enough for you?

Looneytunes/Disneytoons
 
Wow. No need to get so defensive. You could relax a little maybe? If we didn't understand, it's only because you didn't make it clear enough the 1st time, so you really can't blame us for that. In any case, I get it now, so thanks for clarifying.

I know plenty of characters who are youthful like Scrappy Doo, but not so many who also have similar traits and who occupy similar roles on the respective shows. I suppose one could mention Popeye's 4 nephews Pipeye, Pupeye, Poopeye and Peepeye, but honestly, those characters are more reminicent of Disney's Huey, Dewey and Louie, who they were no doubt inspired by.

One could also mention Jade Chan from Jackie Chan Adventures, who occupied a similar role as a frequent source of annoyance to her Uncle Jackie.

And then, there is Cavey Jr., from The Flintsone Kids, although Cavey Jr. was actually a help rather than a hinderance to his father Captain Caveman. I always wondered who Cavey Jr.'s mother was.
 
I agree with Shmoo. In fact, seemingly everyone added to the series after the Great Gazoo was pretty pointless. And dont me started on Flim-Flam...I mean, how was it possible to have Scrappy on a show, and have him at least twice as likeable as another character? Thank God Flim-Flam disappeared off the fae of the Earth. Adding to this list, how about Snarf from ThunderCats and Chris Thorndyke from Sonic X?


As for the original list, how about Tommy from KND? He wasnt a brat so much as he tried too hard, but I can see some resemblence.
 
Alright, I will admit, maybe I was going over the top, but thanks for answering my question. At the time, I cannot think of more examples, but I had a thought, maybe Sylvester Jr. is not a cat counterpart of Scrappy Doo, but he could be considered to be a polar opposite (i.e. he does not act tough, he is actually ashamed of his father at some moments, he is a cat, etc.). Still, as a side note, it could be interesting the two characters go at it. Additionally, I cannot believe no one brought up Popeye's nephews, either, and there are also Huey, Dewey, and Louie, absolutely cocky brats, though they act genuine sometimes, and I know Scrappy Doo means well, but still, I feel like throwing him against the wall sometime. Ugh.

Looneytunes/Disneytoons
 
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