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Diogenes the Cynic
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Why would that be easy to find? Where would that information be recorded?
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amanset
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There's that honorable nature, and honesty, too!
You objected to me, correctly, noting that the OP was lying when they claimed that a "Palestinian was jailed for being Palestinian." Rather than object to such blatant dishonesty, which you wouldn't do because you're just one of our anti-Israel brigade, you spazzed out and tried to take me to task for, go figure, being right about the OP lying.
Because you're a partisan shill and you believe that we're not supposed to call out anti-Israel lying (due to how honorable and honest you are).
Bonus points for your new line of dishonesty, and I do hope it become standard in the We Hate Israel brigade on the Dope. First of all, of course, you're dishonestly claiming that the fact of the OP lying is a mere "accusation", like maybe the guy really was jailed for being a Palestinian.And now if you lie about something, it's just "hyperbole". Funny, of course, that all your "hyperbole" ends up being anti-Israel. What're the odds?
Surely you're not just a partisan looking to support your anti-Israel bias. Nope. We all know that you'd enthusiastically support someone who said "Israel's security measures are justified because each and every single Palestinian man, woman and child is a terrorist bomber." Because, I mean, that's just hyperbole. And if you get caught in an anti-Israel lie then, why, just claim it's "hyperbole". It can't fail.
Of course (being that you're so honest and honorable) I'm sure you've wondered why it is that your anti-Israel brigade has to resort to wild hyperbole quite so often to make your claims, but (again, due to how honest and honorable you are) you're much more concerned with the fact that someone noticed that the OP was lying than that the OP was lying.
Man you've posted more there about me being anti-Israel and a shill than I have in the whole thread. Priorities, mate!
I see the title as hyperbole (remember to get a dictionary). The actual OP doesn't mention being jailed "for being Palestinian" at all. There are no lies in the OP at all. There is simply a hyperbolic thread title.
Hell, the title doesn't even mention Israel either.
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Damuri Ajashi
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If the law doesn't actually call it violent rape then I would guess that this is a translation error from an article where a writer was trying to distinguish between forcible rape and rape by fraud.
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Captain Amazing
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That's actually a very good example of the problem we are chewing over in this thread.
The law against pot smoking in that state is racially "neutral". However, if Black guys and only Black guys (or a vastly disproportionate number of 'em) are charged and convicted, absent some explanitory factors the system appears to have racism built in to it.
That's exactly the sort of judgment that reiterated examples can provide; because pot smoking is really common, we know lots of White people do it too, and so you'd expect that many ought to be convicted - if the laws were applied even-handedly, right?
Now, the problem in this case is its uniqueness. This is clearly a newly-developed area of law - from what I remember the leading case was only a couple of years ago - and this is the first time any person has been charged on the basis of their ethnic (as opposed to professional) identity. If such charges became common, and always worked one way and not the other - that is, Jews who impersonate Arabs to get laid never get charged, but Arabs who impersonate Jews commonly are charged - then the situation would be analogous to the "Blacks smoking pot" situation.
As it is, there is simply not enough data to make that determination. You cannot logically base "systemic' discrimination on the basis of a single data point.
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The Flying Dutchman
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So you think the identical twin switch thing doesn't require consequences. Its funny so its okay?
Let me tell you that for many women, who they permit to share their intimacy with requires meeting certain criteria over and above looks. One deal breaker is a liar. Most of us respect a womans right to control what she does with her body and respect her choice as inviolate.
You might not think its a big deal to be fucked by someone who deceived you in order to do so but I'm sure a majority of women would disagree with you.
I'm thinking how would a Westboro Baptist get into Guin's pants .
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Diogenes the Cynic
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Finn, you have some serious issues, and I'm not going to join you in your crazy. Hope it works out for you, though.
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amanset
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Personally I give you shit because you're a fucking dick with the social skills of a petulant five year old.
Case in point, you have on multiple occasions now accused both me and other of being liars. I must have asked about five times now for you to point out what I have lied about.
You have yet to do so.
Let's go over that again, you have again and again accused me of being a liar but refuse to actually tell me what I am lying about.
So it has nothing to do with you "pointing out the facts". It has everything to do with your utter lack of social skills or an ability to discuss in an adult manner. You simply cannot go around accusing everyone and his dog of being a liar without actually backing any of it up. You may *think* you have backed it up, but I am telling you straight up, right now, that regarding you accusing me of lying on multiple occasions in this thread (and as you do in every thread were I try to treat you like an adult) you have done absolutely nothing to back it up. You haven't pointed out what I am lying about. You haven't explained why it is a lie and not just an opinion that is different to yours. You haven't done anything even close to that. All you have done is accuse me of being a liar, a bigot and God knows what else.
That is why I give you shit. Nothing to do with you "pointing out the facts". Nothing to do with (apparently) being part of "the anti-Israel usual suspects". It has everything to do with you being a fucking dick that has chosen to give me shit without having any reason to or attempting to back it up.
I'll say it one more time for you. *You* think I am anti-Israel because I only come down on Israel and not the Palestinians. As I have said many time to you now, I think both groups are utter shits. It is just over the past year and a half, approximately the period I have dealt with you, the Palestinians haven't actually been doing much. Yes, they have fired a small amount of rockets into Israel (and it is small, last year only saw 160 that weren't fired when Israel were invading Gaza), but the fact remains that these are for the most part ineffectual. The majority don't even register as causing damage, never mind hurting anyone. In the same period, Israel has flattened Gaza, executed someone in Dubai using forged passports from my country and invaded a peaceful (and yes, it was peaceful. The guns were brought on the ships by the Israelis) flotilla, killing around ten people in the process.
That's why I come across as anti-Israel to you. Both Israel and the Palestinians are utter shits, IMHO, that case more about ideology than human life, but in the past year and a half Israel have been way, way, way bigger shits than the Palestinians. That is simply undeniable.
But no doubt in your mind that makes me a liar.
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amanset
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Indeed. He shows none of the rabid mentalism of FinnAgain. I may not agree with him all the time, but I can certainly discuss things with him.
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FinnAgain
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Kindly refrain from lying while moaning about how awful it is that you've been caught lying. I just pointed out to you that I'd made it quite clear what I was calling you out on when I called you out for any of your instances of lying. Your feigned lack of comprehension is not exactly novel, either. If you had an honest question, you might quote the places I've pointed out that you're lying, and challenge them. Instead, you pretend I haven't done so and, instead, post again and again and again about how you want me to show what the actual instances of you lying are.
It's a bit of trolling that, I'm sure, will go unremarked by your fellow travelers, as usual.
To remind you, as you seem to have a conveniently short memory but a surplus of retard strength spew:
Of course, not only did you not provide a cite for your lie about my statements on the number of rockets, or "rockets" as you call them, you immediately feigned non-comprehension. You're not even a particularly good troll. You ask for an instance where you're lying (and in the process you lie some more), I specifically point out that you've just said something that is a lie... and then you immediately start moaning again about how I won't point out any specifics as to what you're lying about.
If you can't troll harder, at least troll smarter.
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amanset
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Accepted.
Considering no case law has been cited, an allegation that the law has "never been interepreted that way' deserved such a response.
Just what were you basing that conclusion on?
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Guinastasia
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And said law is, in my view, utterly ridiculous, if not outright unjust. (I can see cases where you have identical twins switching identities, etc).
Question -- does this law also apply to women?
Good thing he didn't pretend to be Ben Roethlisberger!
He was convicted of Rape by Fraud. Which, like Statutory Rape, uses "Rape" to mean "Sexual Intercourse Without Consent of One of the Involved Parties" as opposed to the popular meaning of "Rape" as "Beat the **** out of a girl and have your way with her".
There are two issues raised by this case:
1. Is the law that treats fraudulently obtained sex as "rape" a bad law? I take it you think that it is. I tend to agree, it's a bad law; too many unintended consequences. I note that this is not a particularly Israeli issue, because such laws exist in other countries, too (I posted an academic article on such laws in the US).
2. Is this case on its face evidence of racism on the part of the court or of Israeli society at large? I am strongly of the opinion that, absent some sort of actual evidence that the law would not be applied if the situations were reveresed, it is clearly not. That is what the quote you cited was arguing. Assuming the law as written, it is not 'racist' on the part of the courts to enforce it where the law where the "deception" at issue involves the person's ethnic identity - because, if a woman has a right to choose not to sleep with someone based on an accurate portrayal of their profession (the surgeon case), they equally have the same right not to sleep with someone based on an accurate portrayal of their identity.
To claim that in the ideal world no woman would be "racist" enough to care about such matters as the ethnicity of whom they have sex with is no answer, because the test is partly subjective and depends on what the woman herself cares about - an the fact is that it is reasonable to expect that many women do care about such matters (and saying so is not racist, or evidence of a racist society, but simply acknowledging reality).
Does that make sense?
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Damuri Ajashi
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You can't buy that kind of irrationality.
I don't think Alessan calls epople anti-semites as regularly as Finn Again does YMMV.
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amanset
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Just for the record, I am bigoted against Israel in the same way as I am bigoted against, oooh, the British Police or al-Qaeda. When they do shit things I say they've done shit things.
It isn't my fault that Israel has been doing a lot of shit things recently.
The last time we discussed this I was very, very clear with my views regarding the Middle East. I was clear that I think both sides are wrong and they have both done some very, very shitty things. I don't support either.
Yet in your mind, because I don't accept without question everything Israel does and have been known to criticise them I must somehow be anti-Israel, a bigot, a shill and no doubt an anti-Semite.
That says much more about you than it does about me.
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Captain Amazing
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It does. As far as I know, it forbids anyone from using deceit to get someone to sleep with you.
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ivan astikov
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What I find chuckleworthy is that Frothing Again has his head so far up his own arse he thinks this is a confession!
Now, I'm not really that mithered about being called an anti-semite by FA, as everyone but the most blind motherfucker on the planet, knows that he is a raving nutjob with an OCD for producing excessively long, dreary, repetitive, fanwanking posts in favour of Israeli policies, but all the same, I'd like a clarification by some neutrals as to what makes a person an anti-semite. I thought actions were what makes a person who they are, not thoughts unacted upon?
I accept posting my thoughts on here is an action, but can anyone seriously say they are an act of hatred?
I'll take onboard anyone's opinion other than Flail Angrily's, regarding this matter.