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amanset
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Do you think FinnAgain has me on ignore?
What I'm 'boggling' about is how you are taking one incident - highly criticized within Israel at that - and, generalizing the hell out of it, claiming it proves Israel is an apathied society.
Fact is, I don't think the 'rape by deception' law make sense, but assuming it does then arguably a married guy claiming he's a single of a different ethnic group would "qualify" as much as a guy claiming to be a rock star or surgeon.
Fact is, who people choose to have sex with is still something they are *allowed* to be "racist" about. A woman (or man) can be totally irrational on this score, and as 'racist' as any KKK member in voluntarily decising to have sex with someone - if they don't like Blacks, or *only* like Blacks, or Arabs, or Jews, or whomever - that's their business; and tricking or fooling 'em by pretending to be who you are not is at least ethically repugnant (though as i said, I disagree with it being a matter for criminal law).
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FinnAgain
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Ooooh, that frequent lie. It'll work better if you tell it more times Giraffe. That's the ticket. It's not a Big Lie if you don't really go hog wild with it.
Or just fucking stop lying, really, how hard is it?
I disagree with honest people on the subject quite often, because we can discuss facts. But since there are a small number of people whose stock in trade is deception and dishonesty, I call them on it. Pretending that they're everybody is just fucking stupid. In point of fact, you're now actually defending "wildly disproportionate rhetoric" (you know, the original lie that a Palestinian man was charged with the crime of being Palestinian and jailed for it in Israel?) so you can lie about me. And, of course, you're ignoring bigotry like Dio's spew about how since he hates Israelis, then he can just make up hypotheticals and pretend they're real and there's no reason to have to actually prove them or anything. But it sure is awful that I went and pointed out the fact that his nonsense is based on nothing but bigotry. Yeep. Go figure.
You're just another in a line of schmucks who get your panties in a bunch because I point out that people who are lying are, in fact, lying. You don't care about the fact that they're verifiably lying, only the fact that I pointed it out.
As for your nonsense about "winning" debates. Obviously, some people, like you, don't care if some of the advocates for a particular position reliably do so with lies and bigotry. That's okay.
You're just spewing the standard idiocy. Sure, the anti-Israel crowd has a reliable set of just a few posters who regularly use dishonesty to sell their shit, but calling them on it is awful, just awful! And idiots who have an opinion of a nation because of someone posting on a message board are borderline mentally retarded anyways and you can concern yourself with them if you really want.
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Bryan Ekers
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Steven Wright: ...and then she said she was turned on by Jewish cowboys. She asked me my name and I said 'Bucky Goldstein'.
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Gyrate
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Are you suggesting that this is a bad thing?
But...but...what about your dedication to honesty and truthiness?? I would think you'd be eager to explain how my posts in this thread even remotely resemble your summary. For extra credit, try to use the word liar less than ten times and keep your response to less than eight paragraphs.
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FinnAgain
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... you do realize that's his claim, not necessarily the gospel truth? And that the woman involved had a different claim? She claimed that he introduced himself as a Jewish bachelor (he's Muslim, and married), and that he was seeking a serious relationship. The court believed her, and found that would qualify as deception used to get sex, which is a crime.
It's fine to object to the law, but at least keep the facts straight.
OK, I'll try to explain my point better. The guy is initially charged with violent rape and indecent assault. Would he be charged with these crimes if the victim alleged that he lied to seduce her? If so the cops are being overzealous, as lying to obtain sex is not violent rape. If she said that he violently raped her and that is why he was initially charged that way, she was lying.
In either event, I understand that plea bargains happen all the time, I have just never heard of an assault case being bargained down to fraud, which is what people here are comparing the incident to. However, I am obviously not a lawyer and may just not be understanding something.
PrettyVacant
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FinnAgain - I think you've done a great job here, of confirming peoples' shifting suspicions about Israel and many Israeli sympathisers.
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Jackmannii
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According to this article, about 40 U.S. states have "rape by fraud" laws.
One noteworthy case was that of Tennessee's "Fantasy Man":
"NASHVILLE, Tenn.
One noteworthy case was that of Tennessee's "Fantasy Man":
"NASHVILLE, Tenn.
See, foamy, this is why you're stupid. Calling someone a liar for voicing their opinion of how you post on a given issue makes you look like a lunatic. Because it's not your actual views that I'm criticizing, it's the terrible, ineffective way you express them. How can that be a lie? Do you think I secretly believe you are wonderfully eloquent and effective but have instead embarked on a disinformation campaign to discredit you?
The fact that your only response to disagreement or criticism is to reflexively call everyone liars and bigots shows how disconnected from reality you are. It's also super annoying.
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FinnAgain
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Again, are you just a committed asshole now? Brain tumor or something? You used to be a fairly decent person, have you decided to just be a puss fill sphincter instead? Does feigning stupidity really seem like the best way to accomplish your goals?
You're really confused, after I pointed out that Dio was engaging in bigotry, the OP was lying and Damuri admitted to anti-Israel bigotry, and you claimed that such facts were a sign of "insanity" meant that you spazed out despite the OP lying and Dio voicing obvious bigotry?
You expect anybody to believe that? That you didn't respond to the facts with spastic falling about "insanity"?
Bonus points for you though for your continued habit of trolling by lying and then beating your breast about how horrible it is that you'll be called a liar. It's not a particularly clever bit of trolling, but it sure seems popular. "Lol, giraffe calls people liars all the time and he's a guy who's admitted that he enjoys live vivisection of puppies and, in fact, can't achieve orgasm without a puppy dying at his hands. Why I bet he's even going to call me a liar now!"
No points for your "lol TLDR!" spew though, that's just old.
Or are you perhaps just being an asshole because of a cut and paste error? You wouldn't be engaging in verbal diarrhea if it'd been "Or like Giraffe's little spaz fit where he alleged that I was insane despite..."
Perhaps you'd like to answer why you originally went berserk because of factual claims in the first place, maybe?
That's the problem though, this is a classic he said she said situation. What basis did the court have to believe her version of events? Whatever that might have been I would hope that it was hella compelling to cost a man two years behind bars.
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sleeping
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Except that not only is this law on the books, but the judge said
and a former Israeli ministry official says
So either the judge is racist, or he is indicating that--in his opinion as a judge--Israeli society is racist, or both.
(bolding mine)
OK, Captain Honesty, this is a fairly concrete claim -- how about we finish with a link to the post in this thread where I called you insane because you "pointed out that Dio was engaging in bigotry, the OP was lying and Damuri admitted to anti-Israel bigotry"? It should be super easy, I only have a handful of posts in this thread. (Here's a link to them, to save you time.)
I can't imagine that someone who calls people liars so readily would play fast and loose with the facts themselves, that would be crazy, so I'll wait here while you back up your claims.
I don't see how it provides such a "tool", any more than any other law. Less in fact.
As it is, the racist person would have to have sex with the person they are racist against in order to use that "tool", which if they were really racist, would be an odd sort of way to go about being racist.
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Gangster Octopus
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Wait a Jewish girl and a Muslim man had sex....EWWWWWWW!!
(j/k)
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FinnAgain
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Seriously Giraffe, what the fuck is wrong with you?
What the fuck happened to you? You never used to be such a little shit.
You're not honestly this stupid. Why are you feigning such a degree of stupidity? How do you think it helps? You stated, repeatedly, that I was insane because of the claims I made in this thread about the OP, Dio and Damuri. That was your very first post. Why are you lying about it?
Honestly, why lie when I can quote you?
Who had I 'gone off on" in the thread with any accusations?
Dio. Damuri. The OP.
What's your lie going to be? You were only talking about Dio and the OP but not Damuri? Only talking about Damuri and Dio but not the OP?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
What the fuck happened to you? You never used to be such a little shit.
You're not honestly this stupid. Why are you feigning such a degree of stupidity? How do you think it helps? You stated, repeatedly, that I was insane because of the claims I made in this thread about the OP, Dio and Damuri. That was your very first post. Why are you lying about it?
Honestly, why lie when I can quote you?
you said:
Who had I 'gone off on" in the thread with any accusations?
Dio. Damuri. The OP.
What's your lie going to be? You were only talking about Dio and the OP but not Damuri? Only talking about Damuri and Dio but not the OP?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
I don't see how it provides such a "tool", any more than any other law. Less in fact.
As it is, the racist person would have to have sex with the person they are racist against in order to use that "tool", which if they were really racist, would be an odd sort of way to go about being racist.
I'm not saying racists are going to go out and have sex with people to try to get them locked up -- that would be a bit odd. But it creeps me out to think of a girl liking a guy up until she finds out that he's Jewish/Muslim/Catholic/whatever, at which point she wants to punish him. Imagine it in the context of 1950's America, where the nice Protestant girl meets a guy at a dance and is ga-ga for him until she learns that he's Jewish, at which point she tries to get him locked up. It's disturbing.
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ivan astikov
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+1. If I wasn't already a raging anti-semite, I'd be off to the nearest enlisting station right now.