retention war

UsenetGuy said:
Okay, this is getting stupid now.
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Well... probably. But, for years I've gauged the pricing and such of machines via the cost of HD space, and although I'd say the effect of perpendicular recording technology is reaching it's stride right now, there's a couple more near-term HD types in the lab that are nearing 'first release', although the current economic troubles may delay them a bit.

Next level? 1000 days retention, really. Graph the size of storage v. cost, and we should be at 10TB/$100 level in about 2 years. Then 100TB/$100 a couple years after that. Then 1000TB... you get the 'slope'.

Now to get transmission levels/speed up to decent levels. All the storage space doesn't mean much if the network is stuck in the MB/s level.

AT&T is running the commercial on tv in the U.S. saying they have 'developed' a 40GBit network... Geez, that's reeeeeelllllyyyyyy slllllllllooooooow. Before I retired 7 years ago I was engineering 200GBit/second fiber networks that spanned oceans. And the tech for 2-3 times that existed, folks simply weren't going to spend the bucks (telecom bubble collapsed). Terabit systems may be built before 2010, if things don't collapse any more.
 
Well, the biggest threat of internet in the future is the lack of bandwidth. I hope usenet providers don't just try to focus on retention building and forgetting about bandwidth increase as the amount of subscirbers increase.
 
grishnakh said:
Well, the biggest threat of internet in the future is the lack of bandwidth. I hope usenet providers don't just try to focus on retention building and forgetting about bandwidth increase as the amount of subscirbers increase.
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Most providers (from Giganews to Astraweb to everyone else) have excellent commercial level multiple spans to multiple major internet backbones (read their ad copy). Usually at least multiple OC12-OC48, and most probably these days multiple OC192's (10Gbit).

The problem is, especially for those in the U.S., the 'last mile', i.e., from the central office (or cable-tv headend) to the subscribers. The 'gold standard' in that department (again, in the US), is FIOS, which has 50-100Mbit/s dedicated (non-shared like the cablecos) subscriber service, for around $100-150/month. Pretty steep, but their lower service (like 20/5), is
 
Yeah this is good, as long as it doesn't affect completion rate. Some companies like to promise more than what they can actually offer.

I remember usenetserver years ago tried to raise retention and it ended up with a lot of incompletes.
 
In about another 2-3 years (my estimation) the "retention war" will be completely over. That's because by then, assuming current trends hold, the major usenet providers will no longer be retiring articles from their servers at all.

They're not far at that point now, NSPs currently spending on average about 6 months of the year spooling up, and the other 6 months retiring articles. Highwinds current ongoing spool-up will be 300 days [going from 100 to 400 days retention] - that's almost a solid year of retention being added in one operation.

When server capacity is added at greater than the rate of posting volume, and never allowed to lapse, at that point then retention essentially becomes non-expiring.

It's even possible that Highwinds might not stop at 400 days (they originally planned for 250d retention at the start of their current upgrade) and instead just keep adding another 150 days of capacity, then another 150 days, ...

In the meantime, there could even be a race between providers to see who can be the first to reach the point of "no-article-deletion" status. In this "sprint to the finish" maybe September 2008 will mark the date of the oldest binary articles ... forever!

... just something to think about :)
 
Usenet has allready adapted to high retention levels. Some years ago one would find each given tvshow or movie being uploaded numerous times. Now its mostly one irc-based group that uploads all new stuff once and never again, 230 days at giganews seems to be fair enough until a better rip shows up....
 
iLOVENZB said:
Soon Usenet will be the next best thing to scene access.

No scene politics and no ratios.
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Soon? it already is. The "scene" as people call it is just a place for arrogant kids to hang out and brag about how leet they are (which as it seems, is not much). Why bother trying to get onto a scene ftp server when theres much better sources? :)
 
UsenetGuy said:
Soon? it already is. The "scene" as people call it is just a place for arrogant kids to hang out and brag about how leet they are (which as it seems, is not much). Why bother trying to get onto a scene ftp server when theres much better sources? :)
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But pre times for Usenet is nowhere near as fast as dedicated 0day trackers.

"Dr Dolittle Million Dollar Mutts 2009 DVDRiP XviD-DvF" was uploaded on public trackers before Usenet :O.

Also if you have scene access you won't 'miss' anything but the politics is a major drawback.
 
Who the hell edited my post? It was called Newshosting Announces 400 Day Retention Commitment and had text from the NewsHosting website and a link.

Seriously, do NOT edit my posts like that. If I wanted it to be named retention war and just one line of text then I would have posted it like that. Which ever stupid mod/admin did it, own up to it and give me a reason why you did it.
 
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